Introduction

Jeff 1:11

Hey, well friends, welcome back to the podcast. We're delighted that you've decided to join us. Uh, we're gonna be talking about, um, the centers of intelligence or the triads of the Enneagram. Over the next several, uh, episodes. and we're gonna be actually interviewing some folks that are within that triad. Today we're gonna be talking about the head uh, which is five, six, and sevens which if I'm honest on the Enneagram, symbol that is the best neighborhood to be in. I would disagree. Well, that's too bad. no one no one, cares about your voice.

Beth 1:43

Um, so as you can hear. you're just confirming my lies. lies

Jeff 1:51

As you can hear.

Meet Adam, Renee, and Kasey

Beth 1:51

story.

Jeff 1:52

Our guests are here. And so, um, let's go first with, uh, the voice that you all know and love. Adam Breckenridge, the y e c Director of Coaching. Welcome, Adam. Is there anything new that you wanna

Beth 2:06

share about the audience? Yeah, he's representing the sixes. He's

Jeff 2:09

representing the

Adam 2:10

can't

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this. I can't, I just can't stop laughing because you just told your your type nine who's the leader of the company shut up. It's just, oh, both, both, of you are my favorite. You're just my favorite. No. Hey everybody, thanks for having me. Uh, it's always a pleasure to be here and, and hang out on the podcast with you guys and our guests and our listeners And, um, yeah, so I don't, I don't, know if there's anything new. I'm still married to my wife, Carrie. Uh,

Jeff 2:42

I, I know that it's hit and miss and you never know what's gonna happen. You've still got three daughters. They're still

Beth 2:47

around.

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I still have three daughters and, uh, and, and they are, um, they full-time job

Beth 2:55

Yeah.

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and, I'm still the director of coaching at U Unigram coach, means I get to work with the greatest team. In the world, uh, supporting and equipping engram coaches around the world. And, um,

Jeff 3:07

job, Adam. You're, you're Easter bonuses around the corner. Now, Adam, you just had something special happen in your life though. Um, your oldest daughter, you had. A special moment with her daughter. This, uh, last weekend. We're recording this the week after Easter,

Head Triad Podcast Episode 3:21

so, um, that's right, that's right. My oldest daughter, Lucy, uh, who just turned 11 a couple weeks ago, uh, I had the privilege of baptizing her on Easter Sunday, Wow. So it so fun and, um, and, the moment that I got in, her,

Adam 3:39

uh,

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and I had the mic, I said, Hey, Lucy, and just lost it. And so I, wasn't sure exactly what was gonna come outta my mouth. The only thing I kept telling myself is don't preach a sermon before the sermon. Okay.

Beth 3:54

Oh yeah.

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you just keep sweet. and I, I only talked for about two minutes, but it was, it was a, i, I couldn't hardly speak

Jeff 4:02

Yes.

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a sweet sweet moment.

Jeff 4:04

We, we have an incredibly awkward photo of me walking our daughter down the aisle, and because I'm trying not to lose it, but my looks like I'm miserable walking

Beth 4:15

down. But you look like you're holding the tears inside. That's

Jeff 4:19

what you look like. Oh, when I saw all of our friends and family there, I was like, uh, okay. This I'm gonna, I'm gonna lose this.

Beth 4:26

So, yeah. Well then let's have Renee introduce yourself for us here.

Renee 4:31

Okay. Hi everyone. I am married. We have three adult daughters and two son-in-laws, and we have three sweet little grandchildren, ages one one and a half and three. There are lots of fun. live in Louisiana and um, through a difficult illness and a bad bad car accident. God let, uh, for with one of my daughters, God led me to write a book for women. And um, it's called Finding Me a Woman's Guide to Learning More about Herself. And, and through that which spiritual, and physical wellbeing, God directed me to life coaching. And then, um, I finally felt like I found what I was supposed to do when I grew up. So I was like, thank you, Lord. And, um, then. I felt like the next step that God loved me to was Enneagram Coaching, and it was just was just a perfect fit for finding me. And so, um, yeah, so, I, I, got I, got my Enneagram coaching certification. I completed that last year. Mm-hmm. I'm excited to be, um, you know, using the Enneagram in my

Beth 5:40

coaching. Yeah. That's awesome. And which type of are you representing in the head triad today?

Renee 5:46

five.

Beth 5:47

right. Type

Jeff 5:47

five. So the five part of my heart is online big time. And so for my birthday this year, I've decided that we want to try to do a crawfish boil. Hmm. We've never done this before. And Beth is looking at me like, why would you even

Beth 6:08

try to do this, Beth? The nine is Like, really? Like, why? why? Let's just make it easy. Like

Jeff 6:12

let's, you know, so I, I expect 20, 25 people. I had no clue How much crawfish you need for a party like that. You need a lot. Right, Renee

Renee 6:24

Yes. In fact, we just had crawfish on on Easter. That's kind of our tradition So we normally have boiled crawfish, and so yes, it takes a lot. you peel, you know it, you have all of the whole crawfish. uhhuh, You peel it and then you have a very small amount.

Jeff 6:43

Yes.

Renee 6:44

yes, it takes a lot to fill

Beth 6:45

you up.

Jeff 6:46

Oh wow. Now I, my son who's done this a few different times is saying like, Hey, you're gonna have a lot of rookies in attendance who have no idea how to eat this And he was suggesting that we get fewer crawfish and more shrimp. Would you advise the same? Does it take some practice to learn how to eat eat these

Renee 7:04

things? It does take some practice to learn how to peel them quickly. And, um, you know, people who do this all the time, man, they can just go through, just peel 'em so fast and, and pop 'em in their mouth. And so I'm not familiar with shrimp I don't, I can't, I don't know the comparison how to how to, um, I guess compare the two. But, But, but yeah, it does take a little practice with those hard shells on the tails em off. And then of course of course too, you can peel off the, um, Claws And you know, some people suck the heads, you know, there's all kinda do with those crawfish

Beth 7:44

That's, did you not know that? I'm not sure. So there's part of my, I grew up in Kansas. City. I grew up in Kansas City. We don't eat much seafood.

Jeff 7:56

There's part of my heart that's excited about it and I've got some, uh, bourbons that we're gonna be trying and letting people taste and then also eating these. And then there's also, how do I do it? How much food do I need? And Beth doesn't want any part of it. I don't, I don't any part

Beth 8:12

of it at all. I don't, yeah. My nine part is like, you know, there's so many easier ways of doing this, but hey, dad for cake? But he is learned. He's learned just if he wants to do that, he does the research, asks other people to help then I just, come alongside and enjoy the ride. or at least I try. That's so funny. Yeah. Well, Casey, tell us about you.

Kasey 8:39

Yeah, I'm Casey Brennan. I live in Orlando, Florida with my husband of 15 years, and we have three kids. Um, they're all 10 and under, so life is busy. Um, my middle son, and I'll share this story a little later, but my middle son has, um, an intellectual disability, which kind of led me to Become an Enneagram Coach. Um, Just facing all of those anxieties and fears and the unknowns, um, and trying to name that And realize what it is I was actually feeling. And so it helped me so much that I wanted to give that back and

Beth 9:13

become a coach. So, awesome. And obviously if we've got a five, a six, you represent the sevens. Yeah. She's gonna bring the life here. That's awesome. Well,

Jeff 9:25

great. Well, I'm just curious, uh, based upon, uh, your child's struggle, what, what have you found out about being a seven that you wouldn't have known had they not been in in your life?

Kasey 9:36

Oh, so many things. I mean, I think a lot of it comes down to that core. The sevens are always trying to escape pain and escape. Um, anything that's uncomfortable and I've had to sit in it and, and just be in it. and, so that's been probably the hardest thing for me ever. Um, it's still a struggle, but it's also something I'm super mindful and intentional about now that I have to sit in it and walk through it rather than skip

Beth 10:02

over

Jeff 10:02

Yes. Yes. wow. Wow. There, uh, oh. What's the movie that we often think of when we think of of sevens Inside Out? Well, Inside outs one 'em, What's the other one though? patch Adams with Robin Williams. Um, such a great, it's likely a seven, But I mean, you there, there's a light sevens can bring in moments of of suffering. Absolutely. That is such a gift to to us also. Uh, that's awesome. Well, fantastic.

Overview of the Head Triad

Jeff 10:31

Well, Bethy, why don't we dive into triads in general And then I think think we're gonna take type five first. So

Beth 10:37

why don't you take us? Yeah, So the enneagram is divided up as we know, into nine types, basic types, but they are grouped three. So there's three in the gut triad, which are eight nines and ones there are three in the triad, which are are twos, threes, and fours. And then ul, who are the five, six, and seven s in the head triad. Now, the head triad, um, in each of these. Categories, there's an imbalance their, I like an emotional struggle, and an desires. So we're gonna kind of take a look at that here. So for you guys, you have an imbalance in your thinking, and you guys might be thinking, what? I'm offended. I know, right?

Jeff 11:18

Like,

Beth 11:19

Beth just called me imbalanced. Yeah. Like, what? my my thinking is excellent, I think all the time. Yes, you guys do. Um, but this group shares different assets and liability surrounding your thinking, um, which helps you to engage in life and circumstances through mental analysis. Now, the head triad, they share, struggle of anxiety, or you can say fear. And how that plays out. It's a little bit different for each of types. So the type fives, be anxious that they don't know enough to go out in the world and actually do. The sixes are anxious, um, because they're thinking of all the negative possibilities that could happen. And so that stirs up a lot of anxiety and worry and But the type sevens, a lot of people might be thinking sevens aren't anxious, they're like fun and al always going, but they are anxious because they're anxious about being forced to focus on their inner world, being trapped in emotional pain and being deprived of the of the things that they wanna do. as you can see, all three struggle with this imbalance fear or anxiety, but they're focusing on a common desire That's security. But again, security looks different for three types. So the type five s are looking to feel secure through knowledge and understanding. The type six s are looking for security by knowing all the possibilities and being prepared and having a plan for all the contingencies in having a support system in the sevens, well, they're seeking security by avoiding their internal world And the anxieties that it can bring by escaping to fun. So they're bouncing out into the world looking for stimulation, excitement, um, and experiencing everything great and not the inner world, which it has for them. A lot of the true anxieties and f uh, focusing and being able to see the reality of life at hand. So, with that being said, I, we would just love to hear, just real quickly, does this land on you guys? Well, like, does this seem to resonate with you? I want to be a better seven. You wanna be a letter seven? What does that mean?

Jeff 13:32

I just don't want to think about it. This,

Beth 13:35

oh, you wanna lean into

Jeff 13:37

your seven? I don't wanna lean in jump in head first.

Beth 13:41

All in. Well, or, or just come over to my side is the nine and just kind of shut it down. Numb out. Yeah. But seven is seven. Make it more

Jeff 13:49

fun. They do. It's a lot more fun

Adam 13:52

they blocked the pain in a more fun

Beth 13:54

yes. Yes. I, I will I will, say that's true. But yeah. So for you guys, how did you know some of those descriptions land on you? Is this true? It's

Adam 14:03

100. When I, when I, was yeah. When I was pastoring, uh, sometimes the joke was, uh, you come off the, come off of preaching and sometimes there would be an our congregation and pull me aside and say, moved from preaching to meddling today, and I would like for you to back off a little bit.

Beth 14:21

um, Wait, are you telling your boss to back off?

Adam 14:26

No, no, but I would say you're meddling a

Beth 14:29

Uh, that's my gift though. medeling. So in a nine

Jeff 14:33

way? Yes. That's funny. funny. I, I think, Adam, you told your boss, uh, that her voice doesn't matter.

Adam 14:39

Yeah.

Jeff 14:39

words. Different words.

Adam 14:40

Two strikes. today. Two

Jeff 14:42

Two

Beth 14:42

strikes. Two strikes. Renee, What about you?

Renee 14:45

Yeah, definitely. I feel like I it just came to my attention recently, how often I used the word think, I think. Let me think about that. And I was just, because when I became aware of it, I, was just Thinking that I need to come up with a different word because I feel like, wow, what other word could I use mm-hmm. In place of that because that? is obviously my first

Beth 15:14

go-to. What, a lot of times people will say to a five, well, how do you feel about that? And the five will usually say, well, I think, you know, they'll start with, I think I feel

Jeff 15:25

Hey, I I will say this. Uh, one of the things that I've learned in some of the various pastoral counseling trainings that I've done in order to be fully present with the client, I, I think through what my feelings are. How does what a person is saying to me, how do I initially feel? And what am I inclined to do, to think or to process, whatever it may be. And then usually my last go-to is the gut. Like, what, what's my instinct telling me that my mind hasn't caught up But it is a helpful way just to realize like, how did that land

Beth 15:56

on me? Yeah. And well, and, and I should have said this earlier, but this is how you approach You start from the thinking It doesn't mean you don't have feelings. It doesn't mean you don't have a gut reaction. You, we have all three, but this is the, rises up first.

Jeff 16:13

it is interesting for you to say that Beth and I are in the midst of our, uh, of writing our next and Beth is very instinctual, gut oriented. I'm very thinking oriented and uh, that can be

Beth 16:23

very frustrating. Oh, it is. Cuz he'll be like, okay, so what do you wanna and it, in the combination of gut instincts, you've got my niceness. Right. So then I don't always I know. what Maybe you want, and so, You know, we don't in That's so funny. In America, we don't really say, like, we talk about, I'm thinking this way, I'm feeling this way. but we rarely have terminology in words for the gut instinct. And so a lot of times I'm like, I I can kind of visualize or see where I'm wanting to head, but I, I don't know how to put it in words

Jeff 16:54

yet. You've captured a metaphor right now. Yeah. that's, you don't know how to put it,

Beth 17:00

lay it out, right Yes. Yeah. But I have this real gut. sense of where I'm wanting to go, and so it's just really frustrating. So sometimes I'm like, I would love to lean into my, you know, head center more so I can get the. What I'm wanting out so, but that

Jeff 17:16

means Well, yeah. Casey, what about you? Uh, how did that initially end out on you?

Kasey 17:19

you? Yeah, I mean it's 100% true I think. Um, I lean a lot to on an eight wing, and so mine kind of goes head gut immediately. It's almost like an intuitive response. And sometimes I'll skip right over and just impulsively act like with my gut. Um, but I do live constantly in my head. um, and I hate it. I hate living in my head cuz I'm always like creating scenarios to escape any kind of uncomfortable or any kind of pain

Beth 17:50

just react.

Jeff 17:51

Mm-hmm. And now bethy, so we have another type who says that they think about, scenarios. What do you think are the differences between scenarios six's a seven's

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head?

Beth 18:05

Oh, well the seven's are best

Jeff 18:07

Is that right? So like you, like, we may face a problem, but here's what we can can do if we

Kasey 18:11

do Yes. All the time it's, I have solutions for everything already. I'm like, well, this will, this will work out

Beth 18:17

because,

Jeff 18:18

Where is, and what do you think for you, Adam? What, yeah, what are your scenarios?

Beth 18:23

are you?

Adam 18:23

it's, well it's definitely, it definitely lends itself more toward worst case scenario thinking. Mm-hmm. this is how this is going to devastate my life, you know? Mm-hmm. Um, this is how I'm gonna end up living under a bridge

Beth 18:39

So I need to be prepared. I need to know all of the contingencies and hoping that it will go well, but I gotta plan for the worst. Whereas the sevens are like, no, we're gonna think it's, literally best case thinking. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Jeff 18:53

I, I will say I, I don't know. I've never lived under a bridge, but I have thought about it and so I do have some plans, Adam. So you're not, you won't be alone. you can live in my neighborhood.

Beth 19:06

neighborhood. you.

Adam 19:10

start our own podcast called under the bridge.

Beth 19:17

Oh, hang in there,

Jeff 19:20

Jeff. Hang in there. It's a podcast for six is when it. All

Beth 19:22

came true. Yeah, that's, that's the podcast idol when it all came true. Renee, for, for, um, so for Renee, for you, it's a little bit different though cuz you know, the fives are thinking. Worst case scenario. The sums are thinking. Best case thinking. you feel like you land?

Renee 19:50

I feel like I um, am always hopeful. Um, I, you know, it's funny, I've joked in my family, um, you know, we, we talk about, uh, what, what we would put on our tombstones and things like that, or or my tombstone anyway. And, um, you know, one of the things we say is she was always hopeful, for, you know, that that would turn out good, you know, hopeful that, um, you, know, would be better than than they ended up being or whatever it is. Mm-hmm. And so I feel like I do, um, you know, and I don't know if that's just from a place of doing my work and being in a healthier place. but feel like try to be posi, you know, I'm, I'm overall positive.

Beth 20:38

Well, we're gonna

Jeff 20:39

dive That is a little bit oxymoronic that on your hopeful.

Renee 20:53

Yeah, I. guess she wasn't, it didn't work out, did it?

Beth 20:58

and and the Sixers all like told you so. Oh man.

Adam 21:04

My, my tube stone will say not hopeful.

Beth 21:06

No, I, knew it. Yeah, I knew it. Oh, man.

Enneagram 5 (Head Triad)

Beth 21:12

Well, let's take a dive into Renee, into your world as a type five. Um, so fives again, you know, we're, You're in the, the head, uh, triad, right? So, um, and when you're healthy, you're gonna be profoundly perceptive and capable of original, brilliant, and innovative solutions. and that's what's so amazing about vibes. they look at concepts and they literally pull them apart. They kind of like an engineer. They, they see something like, let's say a doorknob. Well, how does that work? And then they pull it apart And they can put it back together again. So they're brilliant and innovative in, in lots of different solutions. They're just gonna go through it in a different way. But when the five is struggling, they can feel, uh, that they need security Through more knowledge and that they have to have more knowledge to be able to apply that knowledge to be able to make make something possible. And then they can start to unravel and feel like, They've really lost themselves. If they don't have enough knowledge, they get kind of stuck in analysis paralysis. and so they'll just keep thinking and thinking and thinking and fearing, feeling fearful about doing. And so they have this, um, inability to move forward when they feel that they don't have enough knowledge when they feel ignorant. Now, what's amazing is so often they have so much understanding that they've studied, they've prepared, they've thought through things, and man, if they would just take that step, they would astound all of us. But in their mind, they don't have enough. And so there's a lot of fear. So security to the five is more knowledge, or at least what's what they're believing. when in fact they actually have so much in the moment. And so that's why we really encourage Fives to tap into that eight part of their heart and to recognize, oh wait, I have a lot of knowledge. let me just. take, you know, like, let me just take a step forward. Let me use it. Let me see what I can I can do with this information. And then they get astounded by how much they can produce. Does this, uh, resonate with you, Renee?

Renee 23:16

Yeah, I can definitely that. Um, you know, just trying to move forward in whatever I'm working on. If it's, uh, creating content for social media with my business or whatever it may be, or if I'm working on a creative project, then I can definitely get lost in. in just being on the computer and going on rabbit trails. Oh, let me see, what, what does that word mean and how does that fit with that? And, you know, I can just go off on a tangent for all these things. And then before I know it, you know, I've spent all of this time, all these hours and I'm like, okay, what did I, what did I do? Was that, that wasn't I didn't even, um, You know, write this article finish. I didn't didn't complete anything. Mm-hmm. And because I totally got trapped just in the thought process. And that's, that just really is very frustrating. So, uh, yeah, I can totally get lost in the thinking about it and not taking action.

Beth 24:18

Do you, can you take a step you know, back and kind of observe yourself enough to that you, have enough information on, you know, said topic or project or event and go, wait a second, I have enough here. I don't have all the knowledge of the world, but I'm not going to ever I'm gonna actually trust and move forward. forward. Are you able, and well, I'm sure you Are able, but can you tell us of a time when that, when that happened and what that looked like and what that? meant meant for you to actually take that step?

Renee 24:55

Um, yeah. So one thing that has helped me just. in working on, um, writing projects or whatever it may have been, is I actually have to tell myself things out loud. like, that is not Okay. change, uh, focus or whatever. And so I actually have to just talk it out loud to myself. I know that sounds a little crazy, but uh, I guess maybe for some people, but, uh, yeah, if I can tell things like that and then. A phrase that I have used and it's helped me a lot is the phrase, action brings clarity. And so, um, that just really kind of forces me to get and to do something so that I can move forward. And, for example, you know, my. I don't know if we're going into this or not and tell me if we need to, uh, save this answer until another question, but, um, you know, a life first for me is proverb three, five, and six. And so I don't know if you guys want me to unpack that for a

Beth 25:57

Yes,

Renee 25:58

Okay. Okay. But, um, you know, as I've done my own work to be more balanced, then I just realized the beauty and the depth of God's word that was, I hope I don't cry here, but that was just speaking directly to me in that verse because, you know, um, and what I think is so amazing, the first thing you know in that verse and. I'll just, I'll just recite the verse. Trust in the Lord with all your heart and do not lean on your own understanding and all your ways acknowledge him and he will make your path straight. And so what just really struck me and um, you know, just really can bring me to tears is that the first thing God has telling me to do is to take action. You know, um, be in that body center, take action to me, which is trust. That's what I need to do. I need to do something. I need to trust. And with all of my heart, you know, with my feelings, with my emotions. And it's a definite admonition there. Do not lean on your own understanding. Get outta your head. You know, it's almost as if God is speaking that directly to my heart, you know, saying, Renee, you know, this is what you need to do. And because it's like he just, of course he knows everything about me cuz he created me. But, you know, I just, That is just such a powerful thing to me. and I, and that has been my life first for years and years, even before I knew my Enneagram type. And so it's just become to me in knowing, you you know, more about how God wired me and created me. That he would just basically give me, give me that little, um, that verse, you know, to use, mm-hmm. you know, in my day-to-day, um, things that I do. And so,

Jeff 27:44

Well, Renee, I wanted to ask you a question. vibes can be stereotyped into being in their head and not in their body, uh, now, but you've written a book that helps to capture something about the, your full sense of humanity. how is it this being in the head triad, how does that impact how you experience yourself in a body and taking care of

Renee 28:10

of yourself? Yeah, that's a great question actually.

Jeff 28:13

usually ask really good questions. So, thank you for that. I, I'm just kidding.

Renee 28:21

Yeah. So, um, you know, when I first learned more about the Enneagram, realize that I was under utilizing my body, body center instincts. and so what that looked like for me is, um, just, I've always been like an advocate for whole body wellness. And so what was interesting to me is that, you know, my daughters called me out and they were like, mom, you know, um, know all these things about nutrition and uh, nutritional supplements and you know, these different things out of the box. things for wellness, you know, but, but mom, you don't exercise. And so, So I was like, Hmm. you know, and so they totally called me out because I, um, that wasn't something that I ever gave much time to. And so, um, now, that I'm in a healthier place, you know, and as I started learning more about myself, realized that that is something that I have to be to be intentional about to work on exercising every week because, um, it's easy to, and even I, am now, you know, it's easy to push that aside because it's, it's not a place that I, um, you know, go to first at

Beth 29:41

all. Mm-hmm. Yes. Well, and what I've heard is that for a, a, lot of fives, when they actually their body and And do some sort of exercise, again, that could be a wide range of different exercises. helps their mind to settle and to actually connect their head, their heart, and their gut together. Do you feel like, that happens for you? for you?

Renee 30:01

that true. You know, I, it's, I sleep so much better. Mm-hmm. I just feel more energized. So yeah, it's like you get all these great benefits, so then you're motivated to keep doing it. Totally.

Beth 30:12

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And as of five, you know, one thing I've is there's this belief that if I just learn more, just a little bit more, just a little bit more and a little bit more, a little bit more, then everything's gonna be okay. But it's not okay yet. I've gotta do a little bit more research. What is that slippery slope, what does that feel like? Or what's the

Jeff 30:34

experience? Slippery slope. What are you talking about? Slippery slope. It's an awesome experience that other people should embrace their wisdom. Amazon exists for a reason to find me more

Beth 30:46

books, as you can hear, his five wing popping out there. but but yeah, and in all seriousness, you know, cuz I know what what as a nine, what my slippery slope is, You know, it's a, little bit more a little bit more ease. It's a little bit n not doing the uh, Crawfish Royal, whatever it's called,

Jeff 31:07

you, you

Beth 31:07

you,

Jeff 31:08

you've

Beth 31:08

nailed it, whatever it's called, you know, It's, royal

Jeff 31:13

crawfish is

Beth 31:14

not what we're shooting for. It's, It's, the ease and the comfort of life that I think if I just get closer to that, then gonna be fine when actually that's not at all the truth. So, for you a little bit more, knowledge, which unfortunately we now have, you know, the internet, which you'll never have So what's that feel like to, to one experience? that Slippery slope. and then what's it like to then be able to to away from it?

Renee 31:48

you know, I, I love books too, by the way. And, um, so just always, um, you know, I I feel like having the knowledge, you know, it is, it can be in a place of like like self soothing Because then, and almost like, uh, okay, I'm just gonna be in my own little world here and feels, really good so, um, you know, so I guess the thing is that, uh, I feel like it can bring temporary security and, um, but I know now that I know that's not a, that's a false security. it's not a security that I. Can stay in. And so, um, you know, yeah, Sometimes I really have to like, um, say okay, enough of that, literally out loud enough of that, you, know, we need to do something. have to speak that out to myself.

Jeff 32:46

Yeah. Oh, that's interesting, Renee. Uh, so I have a very strong five wing and you know, I, I think we all have some connection to five, except for Beth who doesn't have, a, there's no five

Beth 32:59

for Beth. It's very little, but I mean, we all have, we all connect to all nine times at my little five.

Jeff 33:04

He's just

Adam 33:05

Yeah.

Jeff 33:07

Um, but so whenever I'm exercising, I'm listening to books. Hmm. And what has actually become a little helpful for me, um, you maybe you've heard a little bit of the AI stuff that's becoming increasingly popular, But whenever I take a book and start dabbling with, uh, G B T, let's it actually helps to summarize, consolidate information that makes it more actionable So it, it actually becomes like a, a little assistant or an intern that I can voice all the different ideas to, to translate that in something quickly. That still keeps me engaged in my mind, but actually moves me to action. I don't know if you've, have you had any experience with G B T yet?

Renee 33:56

I have used that and how I've used it so far is, um, I'll put in saying to basically give me like some, um, prompts or start me out, uh, if I'm writing an article or content for social media, something like that. So I'll use it as a jumping off place Mm-hmm. and, um, You know, then I can just like, and typically what I'll do is I'll evaluate it um, say, okay, is that that okay? This sounds good. I don't like that. And then I'll kind of change it to be my voice. Mm-hmm. But, um, yeah,

Jeff 34:32

What an interesting approach though. So it you help it to almost translate from research to action. Like, get me started outta my data gathering. Mm-hmm.

Beth 34:43

Got it. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jeff 34:44

awesome. And it's action. And it's action. That's right. Yeah.

Beth 34:47

Well, could you guys just tell us where people can find you? and They might be interested in having a type five coach, or a seven coach. or a six coach. Yeah. Can you tell us, uh, where they can find you? We'll start with, uh, Renee. That's awesome. Thank you, Adam.

Adam 35:22

Yeah, so go to the, go to our wonderful worldwide directory, my engram coach.com, where you'll find Uh, a lot of amazing coaches, uh, uh, if you're looking for coaching, but you can also, uh, find me in our listed in our directory. Um, or you can just, you can find me on Facebook, you can find me on Instagram, or you can always shoot me an email at adam@yourenneagramcoach.com.

Beth 35:45

Great. And then Casey, what about you?

Jeff 35:58

Oh, and did you say The Joyful and Wild. Mm-hmm. Joyful. Joyful

Beth 36:04

Wild. Joyful wild. Ooh,

Adam 36:05

joyful Wild. I

Jeff 36:06

love that. That's epic. Nailed it. Yes. It's Absolutely. I love it. Who wouldn't want a coach like

Beth 36:13

that?

Jeff 36:17

Oh man. I mean, I don't, I mean, people would call Adam and I, Adam and I wild, but I don't know if people would say it's joyful.

Adam 36:23

Definitely Wild,

Jeff 36:25

Definitely

Adam 36:26

Definitely wild.

Beth 36:27

man. Well, thank you guys so much for sharing your insights, your experiences in being a part of the head triad and just giving an insight for everyone to understand what it's like, uh, for a five, six, and seven to be a part of the head triad. Thank you So much.

Adam 36:42

thanks for having us.