Introduction

beth 1:11

Well, hey everyone. Welcome to your Instagram coach, the podcast. I'm Beth. And I'm Jeff. And we are so excited to have you guys here today. We have been walking through the triads, um, on the Centers of Intelligence, and we have talked about the head, the heart, and now we're going to do the gut, which is types, uh, eight, nine, and one.

Overview of the Gut Triad

beth 1:31

And just to kinda give you a brief overview, uh, the gut triad has an imbalance in their gut instincts, but they share different assets and liabilities surrounding their gut instincts. And for them, they. Can struggle with the emotion of anger. Now it looks different for each of them. The eights are gonna see injustices and they're gonna respond viscerally in a fast manner. And I'll explain a little bit more of this when we get into each of the types. Now nines on the other hand, they're kind of asleep to their anger and they don't want it to disrupt their peace and harmony, so they kind of just ignore it. Um, I know we're gonna talk about

jeff 2:07

it later, but I am not asleep to your anger.

beth 2:09

we will definitely talk about the

jeff 2:11

very awake

beth 2:12

when your anger is. Well, and I think as we grow, if we're really doing our work, especially the nines, we're gonna start to see it. Yeah. And

jeff 2:19

and I use a line a lot, and this is especially true for nines, and we'll get into it later, but if it's not messy, you're not doing it right. And even for I'm, I'm getting ahead of

beth 2:27

ourselves too, I know the nines

jeff 2:29

well. I have so much encouragement for nines and, uh, I'll, I'll encourage the eights ones too, cause I know so

beth 2:35

we'll, we'll talk about how nines are unaware or asleep to their, um, anger. And then the type ones, um, they feel that anger is wrong and bad, and so they're going to repress that. Um, but it's gonna kind of leak out in being a little picky or, uh, nitpicky critical, maybe kind of some judgments landing on other people. Um, but their primary desire, so the common desire that they, the three of these share is justice. Now, eights don't wanna see the innocent, harmed or betrayed. Um, and so they will step in to protect those that are, um, experiencing injustice. Now, the nines, they, um, over. They feel overlooked and unimportant and they don't want anyone else to feel overlooked or un un unimportant. And so they will want to help mediate and step in and to let the light shine on others that they might feel are being overlooked. Now, the type ones, they don't wanna see unethical injustice taking place, and so they wanna point out what is wrong in any accurate, and they want things to be addressed and fixed. Now our personality develops strategies in attempts to compensate for our types imbalances, but knowing how we are imbalanced allows us then to work through some of those imbalances and bring out the strengths that we have. All right. So let's, uh, introduce the three types that are here, the type eight, the type

Meet Kristi, Libby, and Kristi

beth 4:05

one, and the type nine.

jeff 4:06

So first up, we're gonna start with the eight. Uh, Libby Cole, welcome. We're so glad that you're here.

Libby 4:12

Hi. Thank you for having me.

jeff 4:14

Now, tell us a little bit about yourself and the work that you do.

Libby 4:18

Well, I have been a certified Enneagram coach through your program for almost three years now. I'm the owner of Expand Coaching and Consulting, and through that my primary goal is really working with teams and companies. I'm using the Enneagram as a tool, but it's all about helping people be more self-aware, having better interpersonal effectiveness, right? And how they can be more effective as a team. Um, so really loving all of this, and next month is my anniversary. So, Thank y'all so much for getting me

jeff 4:53

is so fun, Libby.

beth 4:54

Oh, it's a joy. It's such a joy just to hear, you know, how you transitioned so quickly, you know? And I think that's such a testament to the skillsets, the talents, the passion of the eight. You know, you were like, Hey, let's do this. And you just made it happen, which was really fun to hear and see, and just the ripple effects that we know that it's had on other people's lives.

jeff 5:17

Cool. And next up is our type nine. Now we have two Christie's on the call, so you'll hear me, uh, refer to Christie with a K or Christie with a C just to differentiate. So Christie with K, uh, Christie Erickson. We're so glad that you've joined us. Uh, tell us a little bit about yourself.

Kristi 5:35

Thank you. I feel like I could say pretty much what Libby said. I've been a certified Enneagram coach through you guys also doing that for three years, and I'm the owner of overflow, enneagram coaching and all the same things. I'm, I just enjoy it. I love working one-on-one with. Coaching clients and I work with teams and leaders.

jeff 5:54

Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. Awesome. Now, Christie, you had mentioned the word overflow as the time business. Uh, Libby, did you, did you use the word expand or expansive?

Libby 6:05

Expand is my company. Mm-hmm.

jeff 6:07

Yeah. Oh, man. See, I I, I love that. Yeah. Even in the name of our, our coaching businesses that you're starting to see enneagram types come up. Mm-hmm. So, so Christie with a c, Kris Christie, Misler, uh, we're so glad that you've joined us today. Now, please tell us the name of your, uh, your coaching business. This is type one, and this is the type one. So welcome. We're glad you're here. Tell us a little bit about yourself and the work that you do.

Christy 6:32

Thank you. Uh, well, I coach women for total transformation and mind, body, and spirit, so they can live their best life. And, uh, I of course too went through the u Enneagram coach training and I've been a coach, uh, an Enneagram coach for less than a year, but a life and health coach for over eight years. And I own my own, uh, fitness studio where I also do personal training and Christ centered yoga.

jeff 6:59

Oh, great. Now, Chris, what's the name of your, uh, your coaching

Christy 7:03

Uh, I, Christie LER coaching is, and then I have, that's, uh, uh, doing business as, and then I have fitness training unlimited for my studio.

jeff 7:13

Gotcha. Gotcha. Awesome. Not as much of a direct correlation that I was hoping for, but uh, but it's still, Christie Misler is the perfect name. Yeah, it's the right name for your coaching. It's the name method,

beth 7:25

yes. That's awesome. Well, good. Well let's dive right in. We're gonna do, uh, type eight first. And so I'll just give a little bit more

Enneagram 8

beth 7:33

of a background of type eights being in the gut triad. Um, now when type eights are doing well, they have this incredible, um, instinctual intuition in seeing the possibilities and. The talents of others, and we are really to put them in the right seats of the bus. Like they just have this knack, this instinctual knowing. Um, which is great because then they can plow a path for these people to live out their best calling and to lead them and guide them. Um, but they also, when they're struggling, um, they can relate to the world with a little bit more resistance. They're, um, wanting to control the external environment. They don't want the external environment challenging them, controlling them. Betraying them. Harming them. And so you're going to see them start to kind of repress their internal fears and vulnerabilities and show a little bit more of aggressive energy or assertive energy, which really underneath is this anger or this passion to really kind of dominate the immediate environment. Now, it doesn't always mean that it's big and bad and this big anger, it's just passion. It's um, uh, an intensity that is there. Now, obviously, if you're not doing well, it is gonna come out with more, um, assertive anger. But we just wanna paint that picture that anger isn't always wrong or bad. I think, you know, we get trained in our society that anger is bad and wrong, but if you think of it as more as passion and energy, it kind of helps you to see it from a different light. I mean, Jesus himself was angry. Mm-hmm. And the temple, he was passionate that people use the temple, his, uh, God's house in the right way. But because type eights can repress their softer side, they can lose the ability to, um, offer people this. Kind of this, um, intuition of trust and vulnerability. Now, how this can look and appear for type eights, we call type eight s, the big diesel snowplows that you find up in the Midwest, or there's just a lot of snow. And the reason why we call them snowplows is because at the root of their heart, they really wanna help others and plow a path for them, which is so amazing. So when they're healthy, you're like, yeah, let me get behind that eight cuz they've got me. Um, but when they're not so healthy, they can start to nix the cars on the side of the road or plow right over them. And so what this looks like from a gut reaction is that, like I said earlier, the type eights have this gut knowing, this gut instinct of what is the best path for you to go down or the best seat on the bus. And so that is amazing. We wanna be behind them. them. Now one thing to recognize, and I'll say this analogy with all three types, and it's so funny how this is different for all three types, but think of a two liter Coke. When we think of anger, the type eights are like a two liter diet Coke with the lid off of it. And you know, it's like Mintos are being thrown in. To this two liter Coke. And that's circumstances being challenged, people not doing what they should be doing. Maybe injustices and all these Mintos are being thrown in. And it's this instinctual, um, visceral reaction that happens instantaneous. And you'll know this if you are around type eight s. It's not like ready, aim, fire. It's just fire. And then maybe ready, aim. And, and it is this gut reaction that you're gonna find with eights. And a lot of times that can then spew out and land on other people. Like, woohoo. Like, what? Why are you so angry? Why are you so intense? And the aids aren't usually like, what are you talking about? Like, I'm not that angry, or I'm not that intense. I mean, yeah, I'm feeling a little something here. And so they don't realize the intensity and. Um, the scope that their energy can land on other people. That's why I like the analogy of this two liter Coke and Mintos, uh, popping in because to them they're just releasing the energy that has been, uh, cut. I wouldn't even say built up, cuz it doesn't really even stay built up in them. It just releases very quickly. So Libby, I would just love to hear, is this true? And if it's true, can you just share us like your insights and maybe a story of how this instinctual knowing comes out?

Libby 11:52

Yeah, absolutely. I was laughing through that whole description because it's so perfect and I love the two liter Coke. I hadn't heard that before. So it, it is. So visual for me that's spilling out on other people. Um, but you know, when I was growing up, my mom always said that I had strong discernment. And so when you talk about that instinct and the intuition, that's always the word that comes up for me is that discernment that I've always had. Um, and then on the flip side of that, I got told a lot that I was too much.

beth 12:25

Yeah.

Libby 12:25

And so in a lot of ways, you know, the things that you're saying is that it's like, it's too much anger, it's too much instinct, it's too much of that spewing on everyone else. And that was a message that I got a lot when I was growing up. Um, but a lot of what I relate to that gut center is the idea of like, embodiment, right? Like I get flushed when I get angry. You know, it might come out as tears sometimes, you know, yes, eights do cry, but it's usually outta anger and not outta sadness or hurt. Um, and like my heart rate will start racing. Um, so my husband and I have a joke because sometimes he'll say things that I don't agree with or are outside of my control and my watch will tell me to calm down.

beth 13:11

Yeah.

Libby 13:12

Heart rate is

beth 13:13

Oh, that's incredible. That's, that's so helpful. Wow.

Libby 13:16

But it's because I'm like embodying that anger also. Um, and those Mintos are like coming into me and I'm getting shaken up. Um, so that has also helped me to kind of check in with it, right? Like if I can feel that flush or if I can feel my heart rate going and my watch is telling me to calm down, then that's when I can start to actually check in with it instead of suppressing it or ignoring it. Um, and I loved what you were saying about it being passion instead of anger, you know, and like intensity in a good way. Um, I tell all the companies I work with that like my goal is to give eight a better rap.

jeff 13:54

Right. Now, Libby, it sounds like you've done some work around, uh, the energy level that you bring to situations, uh, in regards to your family of origin. How did they relate to your passion and energy?

Libby 14:08

You know, I've still gotten that too much even from the family. And you know, honestly, in our family, the Enneagram has helped us. To understand each other and to heal, you know, even my relationship with my parents, um, my sister and I actually used the Enneagram to really heal our broken relationship as adults. She's a one, Christie,

jeff 14:31

Ooh,

Libby 14:32

I'm an

jeff 14:32

that's a little spicy to have some kids. A little spicy

beth 14:35

in the one.

Libby 14:36

And then a lot of ways we showed up similarly, right? And we are both strong, we're both passionate. Um, but understanding that we do it for different reasons was huge for us. And I often share that story, you know, when I'm doing keynotes or working with teams because it just, right off the bat, shares how this tool can be transformational.

jeff 14:58

You know, Libby, it, it's interesting for eights and ones cuz they carry a little bit of the message behind is, uh, First that maybe parents weren't enough. Now it's different though because eights are like, you're not strong enough to handle this situation, but ones are, you're not doing a good enough job. Mm. In parenting me. Uh, do you think that was a little bit a part of the dynamic for you? Is that your parents' type, like maybe they weren't as, um, they weren't showing up as strongly as what you had hoped?

Libby 15:29

Well, my mom's probably gonna listen to this, Jeff, so

beth 15:34

Yeah. Sorry. Hard to get into my parents counseling. My parents listen to, I get it.

Libby 15:40

re It's okay. We've reflected on this. You know, my dad's a seven and my mom's a five, and so they're both in the head triad. Right. Um, I do think that there was a message a lot of times of not tapping into your feelings. Um, I'm the youngest, so I think that the family dynamics there also was like, sometimes I was an afterthought when I was following the baseball or the softball or whatever it was. And, and then the third child's there. Um, so I definitely think that those aspects came into play. Um, but it wasn't as much for me, like a traumatic part in childhood. Um, my dad says, I just woke up one day and was like, I'm not gonna take it anymore. Like, I'm not gonna go along anymore. I'm not gonna just be in the wagon at the baseball field. And that, it was just, that was it. I was done. And then I've been like that the rest of.

beth 16:33

Well, it's, you know, it's, it's interesting like just hearing your family dynamics, you know, the, the five you know, is very logical. Your sister's very logical. Your dad's like, let's all be positive. You know, and, and you're just like, no, let's be authentic and real. And the types four sixes and eights, they are emotionally reactive types. And so even though you're in the gut center and you have this visceral response, it also carries with it a lot of emotions. And here you're in a family dynamic that it's either be positive from dad's angle or mom is like, uh, can we just not do the emotions? Can we just think through this logically? And your sister's like, can you please do what's right? You know? And you're like, guys, let's be authentic and real here. You can see how that can feel a, a little topsy-turvy for you in that relational dynamic. Does that seem true?

Libby 17:26

A hundred percent. And that's still the dynamic, right? Like I wanna talk about it and, you know, even other members of

jeff 17:33

at you coming in as a

beth 17:34

truth teller.

Libby 17:35

Right? Yeah. Like, I'm like, Let's not brush it aside. Like let's get to the core of it. Let's be honest, let's be open. You know, that conflict, it's not a dirty word to me, and it really is to so many others and everyone in my family. And so then it is this matter of like, do I push through that or do I let it go? And I think in a lot of my kind of emotional maturity, I have let go of some of that because of that snowplow, you know, I'm not just gonna plow over them if they're not ready to have those conversations and they're not ready to engage in that. Um, so I think that that's like a balance.

beth 18:12

Mm-hmm. Oh,

Libby 18:12

some of that is, is good boundaries. Um, but it also, it has been something that I've had to learn.

jeff 18:20

Libby, I would imagine that, uh, do you have children?

Libby 18:23

I do, I have two. I have a, a nine year old who's a, a self-proclaimed one. So it's good that I learned to relate to

beth 18:31

Ah, sure.

Libby 18:33

And then I have a, a six year old little girl, and I am pretty sure she is my karmic retribution. I, I'm, I'm, pretty sure she's gonna slide into

jeff 18:43

Is that an Enneagram type?

beth 18:44

Right.

jeff 18:46

I don't know if anyone's ever given a type that name, but karmic retribution.

Libby 18:50

No. That, that she's an eight and that she's

jeff 18:52

Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah,

Libby 18:54

I have to deal with her And, we are so much alike.

jeff 18:57

and and I'm sure this also shows up in your coaching relationship. So whenever you start to see someone who maybe is processing or relating to a, a hurdle or a barrier to their own personal growth, your response is, I, you know, that I've never, uh, come across something that doesn't move and get out of my way. And, but you're trying to do this for other people. Mm-hmm. And so you're having a response. And they're having a response to this obstacle. H how, how do you, how have you learned to use the gift that you bring while also affirming their process for growing?

Libby 19:38

That's a great question because I did have to learn early on that I could not control them. And I could not control the outcome of the coaching. Um, and I wanted to, you know, even working with teams earlier on, I wanted everyone to like decide their core type and be ready to have the conversation. And sometimes people just aren't there yet. And so I had to learn to kind of push myself out of the way so that I could lean into that. But interestingly, I've actually had clients specifically seek me out because I'm an eight, because they want a little bit more of that eight to rub off on them, and they want me to kinda help them lean into some of those eight traits. And so that's been fun because it's just like, okay, let me share a little bit with you about who I am and, and why I am the way I am. Right? And helping people to kind of tap into some of those more positive traits as well. Um, so it's been on both sides. Like I've had to take myself out of the way and I've had to use the gifts that I have to share with others.

beth 20:35

Now with the type eight, you know, with this. Anger, this imbalance of anger that all three of us, you know, the eight, uh, nine and one has for you. It's, there's just a lot of en energy, a lot of intensity, a lot of the desire to challenge and to get going. In fact, eights are like, Hey, that is where I feel most alive when I'm pushing hard and I'm exerting and I'm not stopping. And when I tell people, a lot of, I mean obviously we've got the snowplow analogy and we've got the two Luter Coke, but another one is, um, is like lights in a room that are turned all the way up, you know, the dimmer switch all the way up to a hundred percent. And you know, someone might walk and go, whoa, that is really bright. And you're like, I know, isn't it great? Like, It brings life and energy and everyone else is like, can you just like simmer it down just a little bit? Like turn it down. And actually that's AC is helpful for an eight to recognize because what eights don't realize is even though they feel alive by exerting all of this energy, um, is that they wear themselves out. They don't even know that it's happening until their body shuts down and it's like, I can't do this anymore. Maybe they get sick. Um, it could be lots of things and their body's just like no more. And so what I'm trying to encourage my clients that are Type a s is, hey, we're just talking about dialing it back to like 85. Like I'm a nine, I'm at 30%. I need to dial it up to maybe 40 or 50 if I'm lucky. But for the eight, we're like, Hey, you're still intense at 85, but we don't want you to burn yourself out. Can you kind of describe. What it feels like as a type A to be at a hundred percent, and why that just feels so great, but also, and how it's hard to quote unquote, edit yourself back to 85. And how have you seen that been beneficial, but extremely hard to do,

Libby 22:25

It is hard because sometimes I don't want to dial myself back, right? Like it's like this is just who I am and, and should I have to change for other people's comfort, right? Like that's part of that inter internal struggle. Um, but it's funny you use that analogy. My very first boss told me that my 50% was everyone else's, hundred percent.

beth 22:45

Hmm. Yeah. Absolutely.

Libby 22:47

kind of stuck with me, you know, because it also goes back to my expectations of other people. Like I tend to be more like, well just get on my level then.

beth 22:54

Right? Yeah. Like this isn't hard people,

Beth and jeff gut triad 22:57

I,

jeff 22:57

that was a pregnant

beth 22:59

pause.

Libby 23:02

Like, instead of me dialing back, why don't you rise up? You know? And so that is a, it is an internal struggle. Um, and I think that that idea of being too much, you know, I've pulled a lot of eight women, um, because, you know, we get that kind of misnomer that we're, we're misunderstood. It's not necessarily how women are supposed to show up. And, you know, that idea of being too much comes up a lot. So I do think that there is a, a healthy, safe, you know, percentage that you can dial back a little bit. But how do you find that line that you are not turning yourself off?

beth 23:36

Yeah. And I think that's so, so helpful to say because as a coach, my goal is to definitely keep my eights as eights. We need you to be an eight. God created you to be an eight. We need those snowplows to plow our path, uh, you know, for us, uh, to help us. But at the same time, dialing it back is, is also a healthy benefit for the eight. It's not just about other people. It's also about, Ensuring your own personal health and self-care. Can you kind of talk about what you've ex, what you've felt and experienced when you've done self-care by pulling it back just a little bit?

Libby 24:17

And I think part of that too is understanding that dialing it back a little bit, it's not changing me, right? It's growing, it's leaning into these more healthy tendencies. And so I think sometimes it's like redefining that in my head that this is actually good for me to be in that space. And it's not about changing me into something that I'm not. Um, but, you know, meditation, prayer, um, I've actually really found that just like stream of consciousness journaling is really good for me to do that. Um, because when I can just kind of get it all out and then look at it a little more logically, Right. That

beth 24:52

Let the minto spewing happen on the paper and then Yeah.

Libby 24:57

Tap into it. Um, you know, and I also got some advice recently about letting my emotions out in ways that feel safe for me. Um, and so almost like scheduling that time in ways that I know that I can be emotional and I can tap into those emotions, but I know that I'm not gonna have to like, turn around and do a presentation right afterwards, or that I need to be present for my kids right afterwards, you know? And so even like scheduling time to feel the feels

beth 25:23

Yeah. Yeah.

Libby 25:24

and, and,

beth 25:25

good.

Libby 25:25

right, and it, it sounds kind of funny to like schedule that, but honestly, as an eight, that feels doable to me. It feels more comfortable to me, and it also feels like I'm controlling that environment in a way.

beth 25:39

That's awesome. Thank you so much for sharing. Um, you ready to head on Type nine? We'll head into my world with Christie Erickson,

jeff 25:46

the type nines world. You don't own the

beth 25:48

nine world paths? Maybe? I do.

Kristi 25:51

That.

beth 25:53

Well, guys, where can people find you? Your certified enneagram coaches with Y E C? Um, so where can they find you? Uh, tell us websites and social handles and all the, the great places that you guys are

jeff 26:06

at. Yeah. Libby, let's start with you. Mm-hmm.

Libby 26:08

All right, well again, um, expand coaching and consulting. So you can find me at www.expandcoachingandconsulting.com. Um, but my Instagram handle is Enneagram two expand, and that's where I am most active on social media. Um, but I would love to chat and help anybody. Um, my little tagline is challenging people to push beyond and, and expand their boundaries. So, um, hopefully folks are interested in that and reach out to me.

jeff 26:40

Great. Thanks Livie and Christie with a K.

Kristi 26:44

Yes, you can find me on the Y E C network. With you guys and you can find me@overflowenneagram.com. And yeah, I, I would love to chat with you too. I, I, I kind of work from this idea that everybody is leading somebody. We all are leading somebody, whether it's your, your children or your friends or your colleagues or whatever. And, um, I just like the idea that when it, when it comes to serving leaders do go last. I know that Simon Cenek says that when it comes to serving leaders go last. But when it comes to growing, leaders go first. And

beth 27:26

That's good.

Kristi 27:27

it's just, I think so much, I spend a lot of my time thinking about the idea of who we are becoming, who we are becoming in Christ, and who we are becoming matters. Um, so there you go. Overflow engram.com and Yuc network.

beth 27:42

Great. And Christie with a C.

Christy 27:44

Yeah, and I too am on the Y E C network and you can find me on Instagram, Christie, uh, lowercase lower dash misler, and then on Facebook, uh, fitness Training Unlimited, and, uh, website too. Fitness training unlimited.com.

beth 28:01

Great. Well guys, thank you so much. And for those of you that

Find a Coach

beth 28:03

are interested in, uh, getting in touch with them, like they said, they're on our, uh, y e C coaches network, uh, and they're our directory. And all you gotta do is go to myenneagramcoach.com. So again, that's myenneagramcoach.com. Put their names in the search, and there they are, and you can connect with them and learn more about them or the websites and the, uh, Instagram handles that they told you. But guys, thank you so much for joining us today. We hope that you've really learned a ton about the gut triad, the eights, nines, and ones. Whether that's you or someone that you love and that this has been beneficial, we hope that you'll share it. We're also on YouTube, so check us out there and you can see all these beautiful faces. Um, and we hope that if, for those of

Become a Coach

beth 28:44

you that are interested and you just are always sharing the enneagram with the next person, you can't help it. Maybe you need to be an enneagram coach like these three. So if you are interested, uh, just email us at info your enneagram coach.com and we'd be happy to have someone talk with you about what being a coach is all about. But as always, remember, the Enneagram reveals your need for Jesus, not your need to work harder, because it's the gospel that transforms us. We'll see you next time.