Enneagram 3

Beth 1:12

So let's dive into the heart triad. So we've been covering the heart, head, and gut triads. That's right. Um, the enneagram has nine personality types as we all know, and they're divided into these three categories of the centers of intelligence and the centers of intelligence has really, um, where like when we are in a situation, how do we. Take in that information, do we take it in through our head, our heart, and our gut, and where do we react from? And so in this episode, we're gonna focus on the heart triad, which are types, twos, threes, and fours. Now, for these three types, they have an imbalance in their feelings, but again, they are going

Jeff 1:54

to, it's so funny whenever you say they have an imbalance in their feelings. That sounds like a diagnosis. Yeah. But we're not talking

Beth 2:02

about that. This is, we'll, we'll, we'll dive into more what it means. That's right. Yes. Um, because the Gut Center has an imbalance in their gut reactions. Yep. And the head center has an imbalance in their, I have

Jeff 2:12

an imbalance in my head,

Beth 2:14

if I'm honest. We know. We know. Anyway, so, but this group, the twos, threes, and fours have similar assets and liabilities in this thinking or the, in this Feeling center. Um, and so that, like I said, they're gonna engage in life with their feelings. Now, this looks very different for each of the three types. Um, the type two s are the ones that. They feel other people's feelings. They will walk into a room and they have this antenna and they just naturally, um, can understand and consume what other people are feeling. Now, the type threes, what's interesting is they actually don't use their feelings very much because they believe that it's going to hinder what they want to accomplish their goals and tasks. So they push their feelings to the side so they can stay on task. Now, the type four s, on the other hand, they have all of their emotions and they feel them with great depth and intensity. Now again, the heart triad, we want to realize that they also share, um, an emotional reaction to these areas which they struggle with shame. Okay, now we all struggle with shame and they don't have just the corner on on shame. We all do, but this is the one that really pops up the most for the, um, heart triad. So they focus primarily on their identity and significance. And when they are feeling shame, they're really trying to obtain the identity or the significance that they feel they must have. So the twos, they wanna be seen as the most supportive, caring, nurturing, and selfless person. The type threes wanna be seen as the most successful, admirable, and accomplished person, and the type fours wanna be seen as the most special, different, and most authentic and unique person. Okay. So with that, let's introduce our guests who are a type two, A three and a four, and we're gonna be able to ask them questions about what it's like to be in the heart triad.

Jeff 4:19

So, uh, just explaining the heart triad, how did that land on you all?

Megan 4:25

It feels very accurate.

Jeff 4:28

Yeah.

Leah 4:29

Yeah. Completely accurate. Mm-hmm.

Jeff 4:31

that's great. Well, Megan, you're

Meet Mike, Megan and Leah

Jeff 4:33

our guest, our type two guests. Uh, why don't you tell everyone a little bit about yourself?

Megan 4:39

Hello everyone. My name's Megan Jackson and I live in New York City. I moved here to pursue acting and a couple of years ago came along, um, vet, uh, the Y E C or the b e c, becoming an Enneagram coach program. And, um, feel like it's kind of like God's been leading me to this kind of thing as a coach for 10 years. Cuz I do just love people. I love their stories. That's right. Like kind of what actors do is they get into the minds and hearts and souls of a character and I feel like that's what an Enneagram coach does as well. And so, yeah, I'm coaching one-on-one here in the city and I'm excited to, to continue to grow and learn and excited

Jeff 5:20

Wow. That's awesome, Megan. Yeah. you find yourself with, with looking at scripts or watching other performances, thinking through, type, the lens of, uh, different types,

Megan 5:33

A hundred percent. I feel like I watch TV now. I'm like, oh, an unhealthy three there. Or like, Hmm. You know, like I'm, I'm a call it out and it's fun. And also like, knowing when, like my roommate, knowing when to be like, maybe she doesn't wanna know that that's, you know, like, oh, there's a five. You know?

Jeff 5:49

Yeah. Maybe she doesn't wanna know that. That's

Megan 5:52

I'm like, oh. She's like, oh,

Jeff 5:54

where it becomes a problematic experience in doing that is when they've written a character. Mm-hmm. That may be inconsistent with the Enneagram.

Megan 6:04

right. Yeah.

Jeff 6:06

the trajectory, the the, character story may be, so, like Nate on Ted Lasso is a debate in the family. Yeah. Um, because he seems to take a big

Beth 6:15

departure, but well in the, in the second season at the end, he, I believe departed from his type drastically in a way that's not typical, the type that I think he is. And then this season he's starting to come back to the type that he presented and, but I still kind of disagree with, with how they presented that type. Um, okay. So I'll just say I think he's a type nine and typically the type nine's not gonna move to the unhealthy parts of type three around everyone else. To the degree that I felt like he was at the end of season two. Um, it was, it just felt like a huge break in character and it didn't. Um, seem consistent with at least how I've experienced the Enneagram. But now in this season, I can, you can see the type nine coming out again, the, the, um, not feeling assure of himself and does anyone care? And trying to be seen, especially by, and we won't give everything away, but by the girl in the restaurant, the, um, hostess, like he's wanting her to notice him, you know, um, and that he has importance. So I'm thankful that they're getting back to what I think is his, uh, type. But I will say it was really hard as an enneagram coach to break character or the consistently with the consistent way that the enneagram shows up. Anyway, no show should ever be on tv. That's just a side note. We're getting into, We're getting into, we, this should be a whole

Jeff 7:44

podcast. It's a whole nother podcast.

Beth 7:45

Um, so writing, acting.

Jeff 7:48

So Mike, tell us a little bit yourself. You're our amazing, I put these, uh, labels on everybody, by the way. So, so go on YouTube. He did not write amazing type three. I wrote that. So I want

Beth 7:58

to give him the out. Yeah. So go on YouTube. You can see their names and the titles that Jeff gave them.

Jeff 8:04

So Mike, you're the awesome type three. So

Mike 8:07

Yeah, thanks. Um, so my name is Mike Parrett. I'm on Southlake Campus Outreach here in St. Louis. Um, I'm married to a type six and I have two boys, Thomas and Dawson, who are eight and six. And so our life is full of accomplishing a lot of things right now and trying. So, um, but

Jeff 8:29

you're also in seminary as well.

Mike 8:30

yes, I'm, I'm in seminary and so yeah, I've been in full-time ministry, uh, since I've graduated college in 2009. And so, you know, when the Enneagram has been so helpful for me, especially over the last years as we've just dove into a little bit more because I think it's helped make sense of. Parts of me that, uh, just I felt cl felt clouded for so long, or like ways of operating in the world that I just, I didn't know why I was doing these things or why I felt these things. But then also it makes sense of why I really love parts of my job. Like I love coaching people and helping them become the best versions of themself. And I love kind of getting it, my hands dirty with them and helping like set a vision and accomplishing a task with them and realizing that's, that's a good part of me that, that God's made.

Beth 9:22

and I will say, so Mike was our son's boss when our son worked for CO in St. Louis for a year. Um, and I think what I was most thankful for was I, I feel how much you have grown even in years past as a three because the things that I heard and saw represented in you was ex experiencing life to the degree that a three can in an authentic and genuine place. And because what I could, I could tell was that your heart was able to grasp the grace of Christ so much that you knew. That being authentic and real only revealed his glory in and through you. And that just spilled out into, you know, our son's life and the ways that you nurtured and cared for him. And so anyway, I just wanna say, you know, just thank you for doing the hard work cuz that's not easy. And we'll get into a little bit of that for the type threes where emotions and authenticity is scary. But, um, that's why I'm really glad that you're here. Cause I think you'll be an excellent representation of the spectrum of struggling with these things, but also how God has enabled you to go to the healthier places in lots of seasons of life. So anyway, it's good to have you here.

Mike 10:43

Thank you. Thanks for saying that. Yeah. It's name, have a, name was helpful, but I, why has he's been so helpful. My, my team, we use it consistently with each other and. It's just fostered, I think a healthy, um, really healthy dynamic amongst us. And so, yeah, it's been fun. Thanks for having me.

Jeff 11:00

Yeah. And then Leah, welcome, Leah, glad you're here representing the type fours, which is, I, I guess that's kind of a hard place to be as a four cuz you can, you have one, four represent all fours or are all fours unique? Right. And it's almost like a, a hurtful comment to say, how could I ever represent for us? Cuz that's

Beth 11:22

very true. We're all different, but she is the most captivating type four according

Jeff 11:26

to your title court. That's right. That's, that's how she rolled.

Leah 11:30

Which just like the perfect compliment for me right now. I just say, I was like, oh, he understands me already. Um,

Jeff 11:39

that's

Beth 11:40

great. Yeah. So tell us about you.

Leah 11:42

Okay, I'm f I'm from Minneapolis, Minnesota. Um, my name's Leah Eon and I'm married to my husband Tim. He's a type ninex and we have two boys. Uh, my background is in pastoral ministry. I have my MDiv from Denver Seminary, and we were out there for 10 years when I was working in the church. And then we moved back and sort of had a crisis of purpose, like existential crisis floors don't experience

Beth 12:10

Right.

Leah 12:10

Um, and that was like when I, when I

Jeff 12:13

every year to

Leah 12:14

Oh, oh, weekly,

Beth 12:16

Yeah, I was gonna

Leah 12:17

no. Um, so I actually dove into the Enneagram when I was really not sure what I was doing next, um, in my mid thirties, and, uh, discovered I was a four. I had been mistyped as a two or a three before. So, Um, that was really helpful cuz it helped me realize that a lot of my thoughts and feelings weren't necessarily true. Um, and then became a coach in, in 2020, um, with the pandemic. I was working in an office job and I hated it and my kids came home and it kind of pushed me to move forward with coaching. So I've been doing that ever since. Um, so it's been really good.

Beth 12:59

Well, that's great. Well, yeah, so I'm excited to dive into the heart triad and help people to understand really, What that even means for you guys, because each of you guys are so different in this triad. So we're gonna take a look at type two s first, and we'll talk with Megan about that. And then we'll move on to Mike with the type three s and then Le will talk more about the type four s after that. So again, the, the twos in

Enneagram 2

Beth 13:25

the feeling triad, they are the most giving and selfless types on the Enneagram. Um, they serve others really all the time. They're constantly thinking of others. What's really remarkable about the twos is, like I said earlier, they can walk into a room and they have these feeling antennas that really understand the needs, um, and feelings of others that are around. It's funny

Jeff 13:50

you say that because we just had a conversation with our daughter this last weekend. Mm-hmm. That when we were creating Y e C it was a very difficult time. Yeah. Stressful. Mm-hmm. Uh, and I hadn't secured another job yet. And so there was a lot of financial pressure. And so Beth and I would get spun out, be or Libby would come home and just, and feel it like she knew just walking in the door, mom and dad have been fighting

Beth 14:14

in this house. Yes. Or, or they're having a day or whatever. Yeah. And, and they, those e emotions of others come and land on the two and really kind of envelop them. Um, and it can be very weighty, uh, for the type two. Uh, one other example, and I'd love to hear Megan, when we get, uh, to bringing, you know, your insights in, if you've had experiences like this. Well, we were at, I think it was in Philadelphia and we were walking down right town with Libby, and this person was running up the hill in this kind of like cocktail sequence dress, but with like a heavy

Jeff 14:53

coat on. I was oblivious. I did not know that. I barely remember walking past

Beth 14:58

that person. Right. And whereas I'm, I'm, I'm feeling this. Like as a nine, I'm like gathering like intel as well. Nines and twos do this, but mine is more just gathering like the energy is something okay, is something off. Whereas once she passed us, Libby's, like, she's not okay. Something's wrong. And I, and you could just tell Libby's accountants dropped, you know, like she literally felt whatever that person was feeling. And I just was so intrigued with that. As a parent, it was really helpful just to go, wow, like that is a gift and a burden, you know, for her to bear. And, uh, how can we as parents, uh, lift the burden, but also encourage the gift that it has Now, part of that gift is again, feeling all of these feelings. And they want to serve and help others. And the reason is that one of their greatest fears is being rejected. So what twos often do is they'll negate themselves and what they need because they fear that others are going to notice that they're focusing on themselves. Like even if it's in the healthiest way, they're still thinking, oh wait, but others are gonna think I'm being selfish and unkind. Um, and therefore they're going to reject me. So the twos will repress their feelings and focus on the feelings and the needs of others, and then come through for them. So in hopes that other people will see them as the most selfless, kind, giving, nurturing per person, and therefore not reject them. Um, and so Megan, that just kind of paints, you know, a, a broader picture. Oh, and the other thing is, is shame. So they feel great. Shame. In the, the thought that they might be selfish. And so again, they're going to repress those needs and their own emotions and just take on the emotions and needs of others. So hopefully they won't feel the shame, um, that they could be selfish. So Megan, I'd just love to hear just an overview of like, how does that land on you and what rings true?

Megan 17:05

Um, yeah, that the shame is very, like when I went through b e c, when you, the, the idea of being in the feeling triad and dealing with shame, like Beth said, like every human deals with shame. But when I realize like the two threes and fours, our core struggle is shame. So we feel it weightier. So it's like, yeah, I have all the feelings all the time, and yeah, when shame like comes in, it like feels very heavy. It feels, it manifests in my body and it, it feels like I can. it's all I'll ever feel. It kind of becomes very all consuming and very visceral. And so, yeah. So when I feel like I can't support or be there for someone in the way I feel like I should, which I think for twos being very careful of the shoulds, like, you should have done that. You should have done this. You shouldn't have. Right? Like especially with that one three, the three's like, you should, you gotta get it done. The three wing's like less, let's go. And the one's like, oh, did we do that right? Did we say that right? And so if I feel like I haven't said or done whatever it is, then it just like, and it hap, I mean, right, it happens every day. So even on Saturday, feeling a shame spiral cuz I wasn't getting the kind of result or outcome I thought. And I was like, it's because you didn't do this. You didn't. And I just, and so I have to, being careful, I think with shame, how. How I talk to myself, and also being able now with awareness, now that I know shame is a huge struggle of being able to call it what it is of like, okay, this isn't gonna last. Like, we're okay. Um, but yeah, it feels like it feels very much, very, very weighty for sure.

Jeff 18:48

You know, Megan, hearing you describe that. So there's a great book by Chip, dod called The Voice of the Heart, and he talks about healthy shame and toxic shame. But it, as I hear you speak, one of the things that really laid heavy on my heart is that you're, you also have the two wings of the type one and the type three,

Megan 19:09

Mm-hmm.

Jeff 19:09

both very performance, right, wrong, driven. So, uh, when you're starting to experience the shame, how does the one wing show up for you whenever you're going in the shame spiral? And then I'll ask the same question about the three, but then the opposite, is that what you just said? That. Those part of you actually help you to get out of the shame. Yeah. Um, so how does the one in three show up in

Beth 19:36

shame? Can I just because I, I to totally want her to go into that. But what I want the, um, listeners to know is that this concept, uh, comes from our book more than your number. Where we use what's called Ingram Internal Profile, or e i p, that we have, we are more than just our main type that we have connecting, uh, parts of us, connecting types that influence us greatly. Weather in healthy or unhealthy ways, depending on where our current heart condition is. And so for you, Megan, uh, two of these parts are the wings, which is your one and your three that you're, you know, speaking of. And I think that's a great, cuz what's interesting is as she was talking, I was like, yeah, as a nine I have the wing of a one and I know how she shows up and I have, I'm a, I have a connecting line to three and I know how she shows up and it, it sounds very similar. And so this is gonna be, to me, a really intriguing conversation in how those two parts show up. And then how does it also, maybe similar for, for me and how they show up. So Megan, again, how does the type one show up uniquely for you and then the three in a different way?

Megan 20:44

Yeah, so I would say I'm more predominantly two wing one, which is the servant. So this desire to like having this strong internal moral compass, like wanting to do what's right for other people and with other people. And so, but the one wing, right? Like I, the one having the inner critic. And so I think that's where the one is like, oh, you shouldn't have done that. You should have responded to that earlier. And so, and that's what the one, the three and the one too, being like that. Self-condemnation. So that was huge for me too as a two. We don't really need anyone to condemn us cuz by George we're going to do it on ourselves. And I think that's what shame does of like you.

Beth 21:24

Wow.

Megan 21:25

the one, the one definitely I think is like, Hey, you didn't do that right. You know, we might get in trouble And like right twos, I remember listening to Annie f Downs podcast who was interviewing a male and female of each type and the twos said, nothing makes me feel worse than when I feel like I've disappointed someone. And that, right, because twos being so relational, like it is just crushing. And even when like we wanna resolve the issue, even though it can be really hard, but then even after it's maybe resolved like woke, I will carry it. And that's what shame does it like it, it allows me to carry it. We wanna wallow in it, we wanna hide, we wanna run. And so, um,

Jeff 22:08

It can be a little, uh, confusing, uh, because for the two, as you mentioned, like you don't have to really criticize the two because they've probably, they're already have these parts of them that are criticizing and coaching them along on how to help and serve other people. Uh, but oftentimes twos don't present. I, and this is the messy part of the Enneagram, is that it, it, it explains our glory and our depravity. Mm-hmm. And so, but for twos, oftentimes they present more confident mm-hmm. When they are the most scared. Yeah. And so a, to mention it, like how does that show up for you? Where, okay, you've got your one showing up in your head that you should have done better, someone's disappointed in you, but there's a three part of you that still wants the image of being the servant. How does all of that show up in your relationships? Mm-hmm.

Megan 23:03

Yeah, that's good. Jeff, you said. We, we come across confident even when we're afraid.

Jeff 23:09

Yes.

Megan 23:10

what you said? Yeah. That's, that's huge. Because I feel like even I gave my testimony at church, got baptized last Sunday, and I remember

Jeff 23:18

Aw, that's awesome.

Megan 23:20

okay, it was great. Oh, that's beautiful. But it was very vulnerable. And so the idea of, like, I, I remember saying like, I don't ever feel ready for anything, but yet the three and the three wing is like, come on, we can do this. You've got this. Like the cheerleader comes out and is like, so like I can, and then I think that's where the desire to help others and serve. So when I am in a healthy place is like, because I'm so familiar with shame, I can also see it really well in others. And I'm like, hey, like, you know Brene Brown who, um, she says like, we often talk to ourselves in ways we would never talk to other people. And so I think in my like, growth, um, as a person and in the Enneagram, it's the idea of like, You know, being aware of like, how am I talking to myself in a way that I would never, in my supportive nurturer too, wouldn't talk to other people. And so I think there's, how do I help myself do that? But then also how do I help others to be aware of like, Hey, this is how you're talking to yourself, and how can we be

Jeff 24:22

there one other feature I wanted to talk about with this triad for two s is that reading the, and feeling the room. Mm-hmm. Um, there's a. Oh man, an X-Men, there's a character who has to wear gloves. I can't remember her name, but if she wear, if she wears anyone,

Mike 24:40

Rogue, I think.

Jeff 24:41

is it rogue? I, I mean for a two, like you're, you can't turn that off. And so, but what you have to somehow maintain bound emotional boundaries with a person that you may or may not even have a relationship with. It's just, it's right there. Tell us about your experience of reading the room and feeling, uh, the kind of energy

Beth 25:04

from other people. And along with that, I would love to hear, cuz what I've heard from too is, is when they go in and they read the room, they're not just really gonna go help every single person. They're usually drawn. And I would love to hear, who are you most drawn to and why?

Megan 25:21

Ooh. Um, I think I'm drawn to the, um, the person who I sense there's like this sadness about, right? Because I can read the room, I can feel the energy, whether it's anger, frustration, sadness, but I think someone that, um, And they don't have to necessarily visibly be crying, but like, ooh, there's something wrong. And even from a young age, I remember like noticing people at the lunch table in the cafeteria sitting by themselves so that anyone that I feel is alone or sad and just, um, because I can sense that even more than they can sometimes. It's like I, in my twoness, I'm not afraid to step into that, where other people are like, oh, feeling so, oh, why are you crying? Like, where I'm like, I'm like, Hey, what's going on? And you know, usually people

Beth 26:15

Is

Megan 26:16

open up.

Beth 26:17

connected with the, one of the biggest fears of a two of you being rejected and maybe thinking that that person is either feeling rejected or is being rejected?

Megan 26:29

I dunno that it's that I, I feel like, oh, I don't, I don't wanna re be rejected, but there is this, this innate deep sense of empathy of like, I can't imagine what that's like. And so it's this ability to really like put myself in their shoes and we, I can't fully do that, but I think, right, we talk about like eights offer their will, fives offer their mind, and twos offer their heart. And so I think in those moments when I do connect with someone, I'm just, I am like, it's just like my heart. It's like my heart. I can't help it. It's just like my heart is going. Um, and Beth, when you were sharing Libby's story, that has been a journey of me living in the city, right? Because there's homelessness as. You know, any big city, but I think post pandemic it's up more. And so, um, and you're walking right by it. There's an outreach program here in the city called Don't Walk by, and it's the idea of like, let's not walk by our homeless friends. Right? But like, if I were to not walk by any, I'd be doing that all the time. And so it is like also being in tune to the spirit, which of like, and I ha I have lots of different stories of what that's looked like. You know, a woman like Wailing in the rain and I stopped to talk to her and then took her to McDonald's and we had a meal. And so like that's what twos can offer is like this presence of allowing people to be felt and seen and understood.

Jeff 27:54

Wow. Now, Megan did your family, how did they relate to that gift? Mm-hmm. Of feeling other people? Did they affirm that gift? Were they frustrated by that gift?

Megan 28:07

I would definitely say they noticed it. Like, cuz I was always like a really sensitive child and like, I often joke like if anyone's had a conversation with me for five minutes, you've probably seen me cry. Um, whether it's for others or happy things, sad things. And so I would say like, yeah, I think they noticed it and I think, um, found it like endearing and um, would be like, oh I love, I love your soul and your kindness. And um, yeah, I, and I think that's what's beautiful about the Enneagram, kind of like Mike was saying earlier is, and Brene, Brene Brown's work also helped me with that cuz she's a shame researcher, so I was like, When she talks about vulnerability and the power of vulnerability, I was like, oh, it just affirmed things I always knew and felt. But also, we assume what's just, what's beautiful about the Enneagram that everyone thinks, feels and does things the way we do, and we just don't, like, not everyone's gonna feel comfortable walking up to someone who's sad and hurting. Um, and it doesn't mean we don't like, you know, look to try and do those things right? Like, especially as believers loving others well, but it's also like, oh, that's an innate gift in me. And so how do we nurture that? And then how do we encourage others? And um, yeah.

Beth 29:30

Well, in wrapping up just the two, I'd love to see also using the Enneagram from a gospel-centered perspective on what that's meant for you in being in the feeling triad. So the fear of not belonging, being rejected, um, not being wanted and loved. And yet, Christ has stepped in and completely shown all of us, but you know, we're talking to you specifically how he has pursued you. He wants you, he loves you unconditionally.

Megan 29:56

Hmm.

Beth 29:56

H how has that impacted your heart and. And just how you then move through life.

Megan 30:05

Yeah, so I think Beth, you talk about how like each type, right, we're all made in the image of God. And so each type, that's the beauty, reflects the image of of God in many ways. But I think there's also really specific ways that each type does kind of uniquely. And so I think something that the twos do is really just offering like. The compassion and mercy of Christ of like that being fully present with people. Like he Christ knew when to lean in and who to help. And then he also took time to withdraw. And so like, he didn't help all people at all times. And so just like really leaning into the compassion of Christ. And then also it's freed me a bit knowing like it is my nature to be like, yes, let me help, how can I support and encourage? And so like when you have passages that are like, serve and do nothing outta selfish ambition. And I'm like, oh, too is, you know? And so it's allowed me to like allow some like grace of like, don't hear that as like we gotta go serve and we gotta serve now. It's like. You know, and something that I remember my pastor said in a sermon like about three years ago in the midst of the pandemic of like, Jesus is the hero, Megan is not. And so, um, when I'm, yeah, when I'm feeling the weight of others and the burden of like, I can come alongside, but like, Jesus also has to carry and has carried the burden of our fears, insecurities, And

Jeff 31:39

And he's, how hard word like that is so freeing. Yeah. You're not the hero, Megan. Ugh.

Beth 31:45

And stuff that he is a perfect representation of both helping others and taking care of himself. So being fully human and fully God. He had to sleep, he had to nurture himself with food. He took time alone. Um, you know, being away from people, I mean, he could have, uh, healed people and served people and nurtured people 24 7 365, but he chose to be in a human body that needed certain nurture and care, and he represented that. And so I think, you know, that is such a, Um, a great thing Fortus to keep in mind is like, so how did Christ take care of himself? You know, and how can we represent that part of him as well as the part that nurtures and cares and supports, um, them well us where people can find you guys as any Graham coaches. Um, because there might be specific types out there that are like, oh my goodness, I would love to work with, uh, them, um, as a coach. So Megan, let's start with you as the type two. Uh, where can people find you?

Megan 32:52

Yes, so I am in the Y E C network coaches directory, so you can find me there and then you can also find me, um, really most places. So Facebook, LinkedIn, TikTok, and Instagram at Megan Jackson. My name's there, M E G A N Jackson 4 44 is my handle.

Beth 33:10

Four. Four. Four. All right. Um, and just for, we'll probably say this again, but for the directory, for all of our coaches, certified coaches, um, that are in there,

Find a Coach

Beth 33:20

it's myenneagramcoach.com. And then you would just search for their name. So again, it's my Enneagram coach is where the, um, coach's directory is. All right. Mike, what about you?

Mike 33:32

Yeah. so you can find me in the Y E C uh, coaches directory as well. Um, and then, uh, we have, uh, website cstl.org where you could get in contact with me as well. Through that.

Jeff 33:44

Yeah, Mike, I, I was, I was a little surprised whenever, earlier you mentioned that you didn't have any social media accounts. that part of just

Beth 33:53

Threeness? No. Uh, I, that's actually very common for threes and fours. Well, that's why I'm

Jeff 33:58

asking, was it, is that mm-hmm. It was, is there, did you just never get into it or was that sort of an intentional

Mike 34:08

So I have, uh, I have LinkedIn and I have Facebook, but they didn't, uh, serve the purposes I needed, so I just got rid of 'em. So I, I only tap them when I need them, when I need to find somebody.

Jeff 34:23

Right. Gotcha.

Beth 34:24

Well, and so it's Mike Parrott, p a r r e t T, and you can look him up in the directory as well, at myenneagramcoach.com. All right, Leah, what about you?

Leah 34:35

I am also in the Y E C network directory and you can also find me at my new, which is leah ierson.sub.com. Uh, I just started a new newsletter there or you can find me on Instagram at Compassionate underscore Enneagram. And my, my CK is also called Compassionate Enneagram, if you searched for that.

Beth 34:56

That's great. Oh, love that. Well, thank you guys again, so much for not just coming today, but really sharing with us your, your heart, your feelings, your emotions, and everything that goes into it. You guys

Jeff 35:07

are a gift. Thank you so much.