Beth 1:11

Hey friends, this is Beth McCord, your Enneagram coach. And in this episode, we're actually going to replay one of our popular episodes called the zombie apocalypse. Yes, you get to hear from my team and who they think is actually going to survive the zombie apocalypse, which type, so stay tuned to hear more. Hey guys, this is Beth and this is Jeff and this is your Enneagram coach, the podcast where we're here to help you to understand yourself with astonishing clarity so that you can break free from self condemnation, fear, and shame by knowing and experiencing the unconditional love, forgiveness, and freedom in Christ.

Angie 1:56

Hey everybody, welcome to your Enneagram coach, the podcast. This is a special edition for Halloween. I'm Angie Elkins, producer of the show, and I am here with, of course, Beth and Jeff McCord, as well as the rest, well, not the rest, but part of the Your Enneagram Coach team. Everybody say, Hey, Hey, what's up? So we had a really fun discussion recently as a team about the zombie apocalypse. And how each type would survive or die. And so we decided it was worthy of bringing this conversation to the podcast. So here we are. We're going to go around and introduce ourselves quickly. Everyone tell me your name, your Enneagram type, and what you do on the, your Enneagram coach team. So let's start with you, Adam. Hey, I'm

Adam 2:48

Adam type six and I'm the director of coaching. Hey

Robert 2:50

everybody, I'm Robert Lewis. I'm a counter phobic type six and I'm the chief strategy

Christina 2:56

officer. Hi, I'm Christina Scheer. I am a type seven with a six wing. So this should be a fun conversation today. And I am the marketing manager.

Neal 3:06

Hey, I'm Neil Smudre. I'm a type three and I'm the chief marketing officer here at your Enneagram coach. Hey,

Brian 3:14

everyone. I'm Brian Lee. I am a type one and I am the community leader over at your Enneapath.

Beth 3:21

Hey, everyone. I'm Beth McCord, nine with an eight wing, which is important in this conversation. And I am the chief creative officer and founder. Yes. And founder.

Jeff 3:33

Yes. So for so many years, Beth was Pastor Jeff's wife. And so I am, uh, Enneagram coaches, your Enneagram coaches, husband. Um, some people refer to me as Jeff.

Beth 3:48

That's right. Or co founder and... C e O

Angie 3:52

c e o. Yes. And Enneagram six.

Jeff 3:54

Uh, that's right, that's right. As Adam says, I'm 60 and I know it.

Angie 4:06

I love it. That's right. Okay, and last but not least, Susie. Hey

Suzie 4:10

guys. I'm Susie. I am our Chief Operating Officer here at your Enneagram coach, and I am our resident. Enneagram type eight for sure, which you guys will hear no doubt as we speak today. Um, but I think what you mean by that, Angie, is that this is not a typical episode for your Enneagram coach as we're kind of a Christian company and some people have feels about Halloween. And so we've been joking around that this is kind of like our version of a fun trunk or treat or harvest. festival, because this conversation when our team had it, it was part of our coffee and connection, which is a monthly meeting that we have. Um, and Angie had just asked this question because her daughter had mentioned it about which Enneagram types would survive or last in the zombie apocalypse. And the conversation was so fun that we just felt like we had to, had to bring it to you guys. Right. Beth and

Beth 4:59

Jeff. Absolutely. Yeah. We still love Jesus and no, we don't believe in zombies. We're just going to have a fun, lighthearted conversation around.

Angie 5:09

All right, let's jump in. So I would love to hear your thoughts on who would die first in the zombie apocalypse, which number, which type.

Adam 5:23

We're going to offend some people here, you know,

Beth 5:25

it's

Suzie 5:25

fine, it's fine. Oh my gosh. I'm just going to do it because my favorite staff member at your Enneagram coach is this type and my best friend is this number. So I'm going to say, I'm going to put my vote in for Enneagram sevens.

Adam 5:46

I

Suzie 5:48

feel like they're just going to be so excited to see the zombies at first, like, Oh, it's happening. And then they're going to be like, then they're going to be more focused on what their last experience has to be before they die. They're not going to be as afraid of dying, but more so like, can we go bungee jumping? You know,

Adam 6:05

I have a different theory about why sevens will die first. I think that they will spend their time. I still do think they'll die first, by the way, but I think they'll die first because they'll, they will, they will not embrace reality. And there'll be reframing the whole thing. People around them will be like, no, there are zombies trying to get in the window and the seventh's cooking breakfast and whistling. Like, like, like it's

Jeff 6:29

all fun. I could see Beth's dad. Trying to befriend

Beth 6:33

a zombie or connect zombie to zombie. Hey, you should, you should get to know this zombie over here. Wait, wait,

Adam 6:39

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. As the

Christina 6:42

resident seven. I got to have

Beth 6:44

a voice in this just a little

Adam 6:46

bit.

Christina 6:47

So first off, I may or may not have. Before we started this conversation, mentally prepared a bucket list for if the zombie apocalypse,

Beth 6:58

um,

Christina 7:01

on that list, okay, was not whistling and making breakfast, although breakfast would be very important if it's the end of the world. Um, but I did, I did think, okay. Who can I marry? Cause that's on my bucket list. Got to get married before the end of the world for sure. Um, I would be like, Oh my gosh, I have to live stream this immediately. Like, how do I get on Facebook live and warn everyone? So no one has FOMO. Like I want everyone to know this is happening. I might even try and take a selfie with a really good Nashville filter for my Instagram so they can see that I'm a part of the

Suzie 7:37

apocalypse. Um, but then

Christina 7:40

I think I would be like, okay, before I die, before I get taken out, I want to save someone's life. So, I think I'm with you guys, actually. I do think I would die first as a Type 7, uh, because I would be like, no, the best thing I can do. It's live my best life by helping someone else survive. So I think I'm going out and then I'm saying the two is going out

Suzie 8:03

after that. That's mine. Type two.

Neal 8:05

Oh, man. Okay, so I am going to step in and disagree. I don't think the sevens are going to go out first. I actually think... My own type is going to go out first, the type 3.

Suzie 8:18

Oh, the 3,

Neal 8:19

wow. Imagine in my scenario that, you know, I'll just try to be too heroic, right off the, right off the gate. I'm going to try to save someone, and you know, I have that four wing. I'm gonna go out in a blaze of glory, die in the most dramatic fashion possible, saving everyone else, being the martyr. Yeah, I just think that a three is gonna go out first. Yeah.

Robert 8:45

Whoever goes out first is actually doing a great service to everyone because part of surviving the zombie apocalypse is you gotta learn quickly. We gotta understand what kind of zombies we're dealing with. We gotta understand what they're interested in. So the sevens and the threes that are going to take those first steps are going to be of great service to us, sixes, eights, and probably fives who are going to survive because we're going to analyze and study and observe, go, Oh, sure. Neil, Neil rushed in a little strong. He died quickly that way. Oh, Christina's gone. Cause she did this

Neal 9:13

interesting observation. So what you're saying is I'm gonna serve a purpose in my death. I'm gonna actually, like, save the world. Yeah, that's totally me. You're gonna, you're going

Beth 9:23

to succeed

Neal 9:24

in your death. I'm gonna die in the best way. I'm gonna succeed even in death. Yep. I'm gonna love it.

Christina 9:32

And you're gonna celebrate my life as a seven because

Suzie 9:34

I took one for the team as well. Yeah,

Angie 9:36

yeah. So I think it's hilarious. That Christina, in Christina's reasoning, not one time did it enter her brain to save anyone except for one person. The rest of the planning was dying. Just how am I going to die? How's the dying going to happen? It wasn't about saving the world, not about defeating the zombies, just about dying.

Jeff 9:56

This weekend, we're doing a presentation and we, we asked them. Uh, like who do you think would die first? And the type seven chimed up like seven. I, I don't know who's going to die first, but I will survive. And, and it was like this declarative statement. Like I, I'm going to live. I mean, his wife was right next to him. I don't think he has children, but I mean, he was very clear, like, I'm, I'm going at this alone.

Adam 10:23

Or that's just like sheer

Jeff 10:24

optimism. Oh, sure. See, that's the other thing. That's the blind spot of the seven. That's what's going to get them

Beth 10:31

killed. Well, I will, I will say my opinion, I don't disagree about the sevens for sure, but I almost would say that the nines might go before the sevens. And here's why,

Jeff 10:46

you know, they say that when running from a bear, you're not running from the bear. You just need to be faster than the slowest person. And so like. Everybody survives, but the nines

Beth 10:59

will be the slowest. Look, I have this, I have this image in my mind of World War Z with Brad Pitt. And those, those zombies are really fast and vicious. And I'm like, as a nine, I'm like, why are we all trying to beat this thing? It's not going to happen. Like why would I want to be scared 24 7, 365 for as long? As I try to survive, I'm just going to lay down, let it happen. And

Adam 11:24

Hey, but Beth, can I, can I just say something that you just described like a six is life being as scared as they possibly can. 365 days of the year, all the time, 24 hours a day

Suzie 11:37

before the zombie apocalypse. And, and Beth is literally basically saying she's okay with death by now.

Robert 11:45

That's exactly what I was going to say, Susie. Beth sees Christina's live stream on Facebook and goes, well, let's brew a sleepy time tea and, uh, curl up

Beth 11:53

on the couch. I can't make fun of him because I'm like, I just want to forever nap. You know, that's. I

Neal 11:59

totally resonate with that, Beth. I feel like there's this strong nine part of me that just wants to, you know, what, we're all going to die anyways. I'm going to go out in a blaze of glory. That's how it interacts with

Beth 12:13

my three. What is the point? Like, if we're all literally gonna die, because, and I'm not talking, because someone brought up, um, at some point, like, well, have you ever seen this other show? And they're kind of slow zombies. I'm like, well, one, it kind of matters, but it doesn't really matter, because it's all kind of the same feeling, like, what's the point, the end? But especially if they're these fast zombies, I'm like, I don't get it. What are we, like, holding on for? Like, let's just... Let's just let it go. So that is my now. Hey, if I was really passionate as nines, if we are really passionate about something in particular, well, then I think we would actually win because it's kind of like get out of our way. We're going to like stompy like an elephant, but I'm just like when I'm thinking about This, I'm like, I know it's just not going to happen. So why even try? So that's why I put nines in the bucket of we're going to, we're going to die first because we don't even have the ambition as the sevens to at least finish a bucket. Yeah.

Angie 13:07

Beth and Jeff, you have a daughter who's a two who couldn't be on the call today, but I would kind of like to hear your thoughts on the two.

Beth 13:12

Yeah. She kind of mentioned it a little bit last night.

Jeff 13:15

It's all about everybody else. So there. There are some unhealthy twos that are going to actually go and try to heal the zombie or comfort the zombie in their suffering, um, and, and then There's the other two that's trying to help the other group survive.

Beth 13:32

Yeah. But they're not necessarily thinking of their own needs, which then again, will get them killed.

Suzie 13:36

Yeah. I feel like for me, the two, cause like my mom's a two, my best friend's a two Libby, who is Beth and Jeff's daughter. She's also my assistant here at your Enneagram coach. She's a two. So I like, gosh, I love the twos and, um, but I feel like the twos. Their survival is going to depend on who they're with because they, like, if they're with the people who are surviving the longest, which I know we'll get to in a minute, um, then they're going to survive longer because they're staying with those people. They're serving those people. But if they're like caring for the threes and the sevens, they're going out with the threes and sevens. Does that make sense? Yeah. Like they're taking

Neal 14:11

care of people. So I, My wife is a two and I actually asked her before this recording what she would do in a zombie apocalypse and she feels that she Would be one of the first to go because she'd be focused on everyone else. Yeah.

Robert 14:26

Yeah.

Adam 14:26

Yeah Yeah, you you got the twos or the medics running around while bombs are going off all around them and they're like run into the Injured people and helping and stuff and they're really really yeah,

Jeff 14:36

I bet they'd have trouble killing zombies. Yeah Yeah, because they're people too. They were. They were people

Adam 14:45

Now I, Neil, I I asked my mom, I asked, uh, my wife as well, Neil, about, uh, what, what, what she thinks. And she had a different take. Now, I, just for the listener, I threw this out, uh, to our team in Slack. And I will say that, uh, I'm going to out you guys because Robert, you and Susie had a very, uh, let's just say strong, maybe exaggerated response to this. Which I get, I resonate with it. But my wife actually said she thinks that the sixes and eights could die first because they would run to the front of the line and protect people. Now, Robert and Susie, what, what, what, give me your feedback on that. No chance. No

Robert 15:30

chance. The only people in the world that I would protect is my immediate family. And it gives me, I have no. It would kill every single one of you in a heartbeat in order to protect my family. I, it would not give me, I wouldn't even give it a second thought. I wouldn't be protecting anyone. My, if you got killed, that's just going to slow down the next zombie and protect my family. What

Jeff 15:56

people don't know is that Robert lives on five acres and He's already ready. You can't see it, but there's actually already a wall being built around his property. He's got his own garden now. He's got supplies for six months.

Robert 16:11

If the zombie apocalypse or any apocalypse happens, I turn into Dirty Harry, which is shoot first,

Adam 16:17

ask questions later.

Robert 16:18

And I've already made my

Suzie 16:20

peace with that. I think I don't actually feel the need to be the hero as the ape. I probably will be at some point because I'm just that good and that powerful, let's be honest. Um, and I'm willing to save others to a point, but not over protecting my family 100%. And so, yeah, no, I don't, I feel like I would totally be one of the very last people standing. Most of the eights would.

Adam 16:43

For your tribe, you would be the one to be like, come. Come, you know, water. I'm going to protect my tribe from the zombies, but that's, but that's not,

Suzie 16:51

what is the zombie going to do to me, Adam? Like, come on.

Beth 17:00

I know we're going to read my mail. That's exactly why you're going, right? That's exactly

Adam 17:08

what

Robert 17:08

he planned. 14 different ways to kill a zombie, any kind of zombie, you know, if it's the world war Z zombie, if it's a walking dead zombie, if it's a, you know, night of the undead zombie, I know how to

Beth 17:18

handle all of them. One, for those who are listening, Robert is a great example of a counterphobic six. So if sixes, there are other sixes out there that are more phobic, meaning they succumb to their fears and anxieties. That is not Robert Roberts on the other spectrum, which is really helpful because I know a lot of sixes are always like, you need to talk more about counterphobic sixes. Well, here we go. Because Jeff is Jeff is a little bit counterphobic. Adam is a little bit counterphobic and Roberts definitely. So that gives everyone just a really good picture. But underneath it all is that fear. But I will say my take is that the counterphobic sixes with a strong five wing are going to be the ones that survive. Not the eights, because the eights will be so confident that they won't be aware of their blind spots, that that will end up being the very thing that trips them up. Because they are, they're very confident, like, I got this, no problem, who's gonna, who's gonna fight me? Like, I've got it. And I'm like, okay, if you're thinking about World War Z zombies, we're not even talking about the same kind of creature. Like. Like you can't reason here, you have to prepare and plan. It's not about can you fight a zombie or not. So I believe my take, of course, it's just mine, is that the counterphobic sixes with a strong five wing because they're gaining all that information and knowledge. They're going to be the most logical, resourceful, and planned and ready. Wow,

Neal 18:46

I totally agree.

Suzie 18:47

Totally agree. Okay, so here's the thing, even as an Enneagram 8, I am a, like, I don't know, I'm almost willing to agree with it, because I could see that, it's so funny, we joke about this all the time, but when I was a kid, and I still do this once in a while, I would randomly just like ask my sister, my parents, or I'll still to this day ask my husband, I'll just be sitting there and I'll be like. Do you think I could take a bear? Like, be honest with me. And they're always like, no, Susie, you cannot. I'm like, but I'm pretty sure I can. I'm pretty sure the bear is going to at least know it wasn't a fight with me. Like I've eight, eights feel bigger and stronger than they are. And so legitimately, I wish we could get a zombie and we could just test this theory out because I do think that, do you think at some point the sixes are going to have to be brave enough? It's not going to just be strategy. And I do think that's a little bit where the eights come in. They have a lot of courage. Like confidence is helpful, but I do see best points to the point where if you're overconfident, which obviously I am, because I think I can fight a bear guys, let's be honest. Um, I feel like at some point that is going to be our downfall. So I would agree with that, but we at least have to get second place guys. Come on.

Beth 19:54

Okay. Yes. I will say that you get second place, but. What you, we also have to remember is even though eights are courageous, sixes are the most courageous on the Enneagram. Cause like Adam just said, they are 24, 7, 365 dealing with anxiety and fear and they overcome it every single day. So they even know. And so when the zombie apocalypse happens, Most likely, what you're going to see with sixes is a much more calm demeanor because they're like, dude, I have been preparing for this. I know exactly what's going to happen. And so, and then the second place would actually, I think, go to a five with a six wing because they are okay. They're okay going into a cave and being by themselves and they would also planned and prepared, um, similar to a six, but they're going to be much more logical in their reasoning. They don't have to fight anything there. They're fine. Just being by themselves in a safe place. So

Angie 20:49

that's what my daughter said. She's like, I'm just, I'm just going to stay home on my

Beth 20:55

couch. I

Robert 20:55

don't even need anybody. Yeah.

Jeff 20:59

And what was the movie that Will Smith was in? He was the last person. I am legend. I am legend. Like I could sense that maybe he was five like, like he had his dog. He had a lab. He was going to figure the zombies out and find the cure. But he was very protective. Now, I do want to say this. Um, although I appreciate the affirmation that sixes would survive. Um, but when COVID hit, Uh, I thought I found some, uh, Perel wipes and a lot of them. And so I think I bought two cases which came out to be around 5, 000, uh, wipes. They were Kleenex wet wipes

Beth 21:47

and that's all they

Jeff 21:47

are like there's there's no there's nothing that kills anything in them Matter if I mean it it it it doesn't even moisturize It's just like these you can use these to wipe your fingers after you eat wings That's the only thing that they were good for so I got to be honest with you like in my anxiety I bought something that was totally useless. Yes.

Adam 22:09

Yeah

Angie 22:10

okay. Let, we have not heard from Brian yet as a type one. So I would like to hear, I would like to hear what you think ones, where would you fall? Would you go out first? Would you go out toward the end? What are your thoughts? I think we

Brian 22:21

go out towards the end. I think we, tell me why. It's kind of like the fives. We, we think we know the right way to do it, so whether we need to be social in the moment or we need to just pull away and withdraw, we're okay with whatever that decision is once we are convinced that that is the right way to do it. Um, I love what Beth said about the five with the six wing or a six with the five wing. I'm leaning toward the five where the six wing would last the longest. I think eights would do really well and lead the charge, but I think eventually they're going to go and go in a blaze of glory. Um, I

Adam 22:53

think the fives are just going to

Brian 22:55

hunker down and I think the ones will be right there with them.

Beth 22:58

Yeah. Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm like, no, I think it's actually going to be five with a six wing because They are fine alone. Whereas the sixes, it's all about connection and relationships and

Suzie 23:09

interesting.

Robert 23:10

Yeah, Beth, I agree with you. I think the sixes, the six with the five wing would survive the zombie apocalypse part, but they would get caught in the rebuilding of whatever the new world order is, which is also where I think the eights would go. I think the sixes and the eight or the counterphobic sixes and the eights. Will do very well. Fighting the actual zombies. Yeah. And surviving the first, you know, weeks or months. But it'll be in reestablishing a new world order that they'll go, but it'll be the, the fives or maybe even the ones that are able to go, you know, live in a cave like you said, or all alone by themselves that, you know, they'll, they'll, they will be able to handle it with ease.

Brian 23:45

I think there's that whole social aspect of it that's so fascinating too. The fives and the ones I think would be okay on their own mentally. I think the fives would last longer because they've got their whole mind palace going on. Sixes would, would die by inner committee and just second guess every decision they're making. Um, and the ones inner critic would just be yelling all the time like, Do this better! Build that better! You can do it! You can make it! But eventually, I think the dependency of the one, uh, depending on which group they're with or if they're by themselves would dictate a lot of how long they last.

Suzie 24:15

I know, I was gonna just say that actually. I feel like fours are a really interesting number. One thing I will say is that the wings coming in here... Um, and if, if we think about try types for those of you guys who have geeked out on that before, that's actually really interesting because I'm kind of a different type eight. I'm an introverted female eight, which is interesting. And I have a five in my try type and I go to, you know, five is kind of my stress path as well. So I do feel like there are certain types of wings and certain types of try types. That would make all of this super interesting. So I think I would be totally fine in a cave for a little while, not as long as a five. So I'm, I'm now changing my theory. I actually think five with a six wing is our winner, which is so interesting. But, um, fours are so interesting to me and I would almost love to hear best thoughts on this because I know fours that are totally different. Like I know some fours that I would be like, okay, I need them on my team in the zombie apocalypse. And some fours who I'm like, no way, absolutely not. What are you going to be doing? Um, and so it's interesting cause there's, I feel like that again, with wings and different things involved, there's different types of fours and how they would show

Beth 25:16

up. I think the fours would be somewhere in the middle. You know, I think there's going to be some fours that, you know, are going to be able to pull from their five wing and maybe withdraw and retreat cause they're both withdrawing types. Um, but then there's going to be some fours that. You know, pull from their three wing and they're, they're going to be kind of like what Neil is saying. Like, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to like go out with a blaze of glory and everyone's going to see it. So I just think they're kind of going to be anywhere in the middle. Um,

Angie 25:44

I was kind of like, I'm thinking they're going to find the beauty in it and show it all to us.

Suzie 25:48

Right.

Beth 25:49

Yeah. Well, but I would say Susie, like when you were saying about an eight, see, I think because you have. You would be like the perfect candidate to rebuild, like after the, everyone, everything's been destroyed because, well, that's why you're our COO, but because you're try typing an eight, three, five, you're going to have the confidence of the eight and the three, the skill set to know exactly what needs to happen. You know, as an eight who needs. Like to be in the right seat of the bus, like, okay, you do this, you do that. You're going to be great at this. But then the five, you're going to really be thinking and strategizing really well. So I vote that you build the next world order, whatever it is. Like, so we'll put you in charge. Okay. Well, in

Jeff 26:35

regards to the four, the, if you remember in a zombie land, I can't remember it was the first one or the second one. But someone where they finally arrived to some community and fortress and it was really creative. It was fun. It was life giving. I know during covid fours were trying to take different spaces in their home to create beauty in light of all the pain and anxiety. So like I could see fours building beautiful human places for survival. Yeah.

Adam 27:12

And in the, in the post, in the, on the other side of the apocalypse, assuming we make it, they're going to be the ones to, to restore, in the rebuilt world, to restore beauty and the arts and all those things that, that we have to have in order to be truly human. Yeah.

Neal 27:36

I'm going to tap into my four wing here. And there's something about a four that I think will be very beneficial. In the zombie apocalypse. In that, fours are really resilient with their emotions. They can sit with the deep, hard emotions. And I feel like, they're just gonna, When the zombie apocalypse happens, They're gonna, uh, bounce out of the initial shock of it the fastest. And then tap, probably tap into that three wing and just get stuff done. And I mean, they'll probably die because of that, but I think fours are going to be pretty beneficial. Don't

Robert 28:12

you, don't you feel like too? They'll want to die. And like, nobody's

Neal 28:17

going to die. Like me, like I'm an Enneagram through with the four wing, I want to go out in the most dramatic way possible.

Beth 28:24

Where, whereas for me, I'm just going to like lay down and like, just let it happen. No,

Suzie 28:28

it's, it's literally death by nap, Beth. Like that is so funny to me. Yeah. I, um, I think to what Beth said about me rebuilding, you know, that's interesting to me. Cause that's where like for the numbers that we've lost actually comes into play right away. Right. Cause as an eight, one of the things I'm great at with my tri type and all that, it's like Beth said, like picking the right people for the right roles, building the team, kind of bringing the community together. And I'm just like, all of a sudden, like I connect immensely with fours, right? Because fours have a great way of just making space for eights and so do nines. And so I have these numbers that I connect with and I'm like, Oh my gosh, where are the listeners? Where are the people that help us remember beauty? Where are the twos and the gardeners? And the, you know, and so I think all of a sudden I would really miss those people. So we do need to, I think the bottom line is we need to bring everybody along, right? Like diversity matters at the end of everything. We need all numbers

Angie 29:20

on every team to survive this, Christina. Totally.

Christina 29:24

So I just want to say, let's just say hypothetically that the seven was smart enough to follow the eight or the five with the six wing and they're in a community of like, Ones and maybe we've got the four that it loves the beauty, but then I started thinking about, okay, so if my stress, stress path is that I'll go towards a one and I'll become super critical, like in my head, I'm thinking, Oh gosh, am I going to criticize someone's survival plan and be like, no, no, no, you didn't, you didn't aim the right way. We should be buying this or getting this or saving this. And then I think I would. still end up being one of the first ones to actually die because someone on the team is going to be like, you are the weakest link. Goodbye. Like we don't need you anymore. And and that's it. So

Jeff 30:11

if you become critical, uh, we're going to kill you.

Adam 30:18

Has already said that he has would have no problem killing you.

Angie 30:25

So no, as you guys have been talking through this, my plan now for the zombie apocalypse is to find Susie and Robert and stay with them.

Jeff 30:33

He's not going to let you in like you're, you're not. You're not in the circle of trust, so don't even

Beth 30:40

go to him. But here's the difference between, I would say, Robert and you and Adam being sixes. I can't see Adam or you saying that. Because like Roberts, Roberts tri type is eight or 683. So it's the justice fighter. So he is, he literally is protecting the most precious things, which is his family. And of course that's noble, but Jeff and Adam, you guys are, uh, And so you bring a lot more of the, everyone needs to be included. You feel other people's feelings, like, and understand that, like the deeper, like sensation of community. So you guys wouldn't approach it the same as

Jeff 31:24

well. So I'd like to maybe flip this a little bit because I, We've started to hint at, okay, maybe you're, you've protect, you're protected from zombies, but you've still got to live with one another. And I am curious, Robert, so you're married to a nine, um, and who she usually delegates, uh, security protection. Future planning to you. What would what do you think? She would say about living with you during the zombie apocalypse, which is Because like you're tapping into a part of you. That's probably not very hospitable Um to be around so like what would your family say? Now that they're stuck in this fort with you

Robert 32:08

Yeah, I think if if I did make it I think the one element of all this is like whoever's going to survive Is going to be extremely lucky like you need lots of things to go your way. You need lots of Breaks to go but I think I would be very prone to like turning into the evil despot warlord in the post apocalyptic right It would be very easy for me to become vegan from the walking dead or like for me to And so I, even though he did survive, I don't think my wife would like me very much. Like, she would be super disappointed in my decision making. And would constantly be going like, you're not, you can't kill another person. They're not a threat to us. And I'd be like, they're another person. They are absolutely a threat to us. Yeah, you would, you would. I don't, I don't think she would be a big fan of me in all honesty. I think she would trust me in the initial wave. Like she would ride with me and we would, she would back my play to survive. But then as soon as things settled down a little bit. That's awesome. Yeah,

Adam 33:06

you would become this other person to survive. Yeah. What's that?

Beth 33:09

Yeah. What, what would you say? Like Like, what is the difference between you and, um, Robert from, like, both being sixes?

Adam 33:18

Well, I completely agree with what, I mean, what Robert's saying about protecting my immediate tribe. Of like, I've got my wife and my daughters to protect. And so, I mean, yeah, I could completely see myself. My favorite definition of rage is rage is me trying to get bigger than the fear that's inside of me. So, I would be very afraid. Okay in the zombie apocalypse and I would be raging out. So I think I would I could easily see myself um doing that but I I do think I would have this, uh I do think what Jeff's saying is, really resonates with me, like I, any of you that showed up as like, let me in, I would be like, I would have to let you in, I would just, I would do it, so, you know, so I think that would, that would make me more vulnerable, um, but I, I, I don't think I could, I don't think I could just leave you on the doorsteps.

Jeff 34:09

I mean, once you said that, Adam, it made me think, like, we don't even have a test to know if they're infected by the zombie virus. Yeah, I could look normal. Yeah, like I'm getting suspicious of my answer now like Well, what if what what if angie was infected? I just didn't see it yet. And now I brought her into the house So

Adam 34:32

we're going to need to like prepare some sort of quarantine room or lock these people in a room or something where they're going To have but you know until we until we figure it out and hearing you say that hearing you say that now I'm, also questioning my answer. So thank you.

Beth 34:45

Well

Suzie 34:45

sixes

Angie 34:45

now are developing home tests

Beth 34:49

Yes.

Jeff 34:49

Yeah. This is a very, very, this is so, this is so sexy right now. Like we came out strong and now we're like, no, no, I don't

Christina 34:57

think we could do it. And I feel trapped in pain. I'm like, oh gosh,

Adam 35:01

I just want to die already because this is stressing me out so much.

Suzie 35:05

See, I think that's one of the reasons why a lot of AIDS like myself would survive because I'm not stressed. I'm literally, I think one of the most important. Yeah. Thank you, Andy. I think one of the most important things. A leader can do in serious situations is make decisions and not question those decisions. So I would be making decisions. And I think to Robert's point, I would still hold on to justice. I don't think I would go totally ruthless, but I also don't think I would feel guilty when I needed to be ruthless and would do it quickly. Like make that decision fast and then move on. But I wouldn't do it every time. So I don't know. Deal with the

Beth 35:39

trauma later. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Adam 35:42

We'll

Beth 35:42

deal with the trauma later. Yeah, so exactly what you guys are saying is why I am like, what this is like, so overwhelming. You got so many thoughts, opinions, suspicion, self doubt. I'm like, this is exhausting, like lay

Angie 35:57

down and

Jeff 35:58

take a nap. Welcome to our marriage right there. So we've been talking about living with me in that moment.

Beth 36:04

Seriously. It's like. Too much, people, too

Jeff 36:06

much. I'm out. I'm just going to walk outside and kill myself. I can't live with you like this.

Adam 36:11

Basically, my wife would say nothing would change in our relational dynamic if we were in a zombie apocalypse or not. It would feel, it would all feel the same

Beth 36:19

to live with me.

Angie 36:20

Either way. That's awesome. Okay, so let me just sum up this conversation. And if you have anything left you'd like to add. It sounds like going out first are the nine and the seven and maybe the two in, in some order there. Last surviving to the end. That would be the death triad. That's the death triad. That's the death triad. Which,

Beth 36:41

funny enough, they're all optimists.

Angie 36:45

The staying alive triad is the six Both phobic and counterphobic, but staying alive the longest is the five with the six wing, which will, will be awesome because my daughter is the one that submitted this question and that is exactly her type.

Beth 37:03

Well, and the eights and the ones.

Jeff 37:05

Counterphobic sixes and eights are, they're more the despot warlords. Like, like the other six types would survive, but it's the counterphobic sixes and eights that'll be the warlords that will rule the post apocalyptic world. Okay,

Angie 37:23

so sixes, counterphobic sixes, eights, and then Stangelab the longest are the five with the six queen, right? Is that what we decided? Yes.

Suzie 37:31

So we're, that's the survival. That's the survival

Angie 37:33

tri. That's the survival triad. There you go. Okay. And then right in the middle, the ha, the ha,

Beth 37:38

the habit

Adam 37:38

Chance triads.

Angie 37:39

That's one's fours and threes. Threes one. Fours and threes right in the middle. I don't know. There are some threes listening right now. Neils that are like, stand up for us please. You know, I, you know, there

Neal 37:50

are, I, I think I would die early, but yeah, some, most threes are probably in the middle. You know, I would also.

Angie 38:01

It depends on how you define success. Am I right?

Suzie 38:06

Defining, defining success is choosing my team or Robert's team as a three to play on. That's how, that's how you get to the bottom there guys. I love it. I love it. Beth

Angie 38:16

and Jeff, anything left to add before we wrap up this episode?

Beth 38:20

Well, I will love everyone. Well, until, until I'm gone, it won't be long, but Hey, I'll love. Well,

Jeff 38:32

I do think this illustrates a point. Uh, number one, the things that we are talking about are absolutely. Silly and stupid to stereotype in this way is, isn't helpful. And you know, the real question behind this is that what gifts and liabilities would each type bring to a difficult circumstance? That's the real question and insight of the Enneagram because the reality is is that we We all become something, uh, can transition or not transition. We can all change and become the person that we were meant to be. Well,

Beth 39:10

and because we usually talk about the Enneagram through a gospel center perspective, I just want to point out that just because you might be the one. Surviving the apocalypse doesn't mean your heart may be in the right place, Robert, if you survive.

Adam 39:32

We're not

Beth 39:36

promoting like the most aligned hearts that might win, the ones that might cut corners or do whatever they got to do, despite others. So It is just for fun that we're talking about this just for today.

Angie 39:51

Yeah,

Neal 39:52

that gives me so much comfort.

Adam 39:56

Imagine the gift, the gifts, the gifts that each type would use to rebuild the world. And that's where you're, you're gonna, you're gonna need all nine types to survive. And then you're going to need

Beth 40:06

all nine times, right? Yeah, because what, like, if you don't have a one helping us to rebuild the infrastructure the right way, that could be really bad. You know, I mean, there's, you know, all of the types, you know, the twos that are going to nurture us back, you know, the fours that bring the beauty. I'm thinking like, What is the Camelot table, right? Like, who do we need to put at this Camelot table to raise up, you know, humanity? That's another episode. We're all in our types. Yeah,

Suzie 40:34

for sure. Oh my gosh, and you need all nine types. Yeah, you need, your presence matters, nines, like, you know what I mean? Like everybody, oh my gosh, the diversity of that is so beautiful to think about that. Like if you're putting that table together, everybody needs a seat at the table to rebuild a beautiful

Angie 40:50

world. Beth, I want to thank you for participating in this conversation, even though it may be with a little bit of reluctance. I think our audience is going to love it. I want to thank all of you for joining us and giving us your input today on which type you think would survive and die. And I love that we now have the zombie apocalypse triad out of this episode. So thanks for joining us, friends. Check us out next week for another episode of your any room coach, the podcast by everybody. Bye.

Neal 41:20

Bye. Bye.